Martin Lewis joins campaigners calling on Treasury to help 3m excluded from coronavirus support

dunstonh

This forum is to support and help people @dunstonh and the other comedians on this thread if you have nothing supportive or helpful to stay then perhaps visit another thread

Since when did you become boss?

It is a valid and important issue.

It is.  However, the flaws in the campaign have been well discussed on this site and misrepresentation does not do any favours to a cause.  Just look at WASPI and how they failed.

 If it wasn't Martin wouldn't have got behind the #ExcludedUK campaign and joined the ExcludedUK All-Party Parliamentary Groups (APPGs) which is also represented by over 200 cross party MPs.

Of course he is behind it.  It helps his brand.   

Dr_Crypto

Sunak has made it clear he is trying to wind back these schemes, not expand them. Not a chance of him giving more people free money. 

sharpe106

No other country in the world have tried to be a generous to taxpayers, as the dip in the economy shows. The government has spent to much effort propping up failing business and individuals to remain popular rather then divert the money to where it could have done long term good. 

The latest payment £1,000 payment to business for bringing people back of furlough is the prime example, popular but what does it actually achieve?

sharpe106

barker_maria said:

This forum is to support and help people @dunstonh and the other comedians on this thread if you have nothing supportive or helpful to stay then perhaps visit another thread. It is a valid and important issue. If it wasn't Martin wouldn't have got behind the #ExcludedUK campaign and joined the ExcludedUK All-Party Parliamentary Groups (APPGs) which is also represented by over 200 cross party MPs.

Easy to jump on the band wagon and try to be popular when you are not the one having to pay the bills, or the one having to stop all the fraudulent claims if the system is changed.

gettingtheresometime

sharpe106 said:

The latest payment £1,000 payment to business for bringing people back of furlough is the prime example, popular but what does it actually achieve?

Not a lot.

if you had a stable  business beforehand such as McDonalds then it's nothing more than free money

Otherwise it's just delaying the enviable, if many businesses can be bothered to wait until then

sharpe106

They won't as it will cost them more, so all it does is give money to companies that were keeping people on anyway. 

unholyangel

sharpe106 said:

No other country in the world have tried to be a generous to taxpayers, as the dip in the economy shows. The government has spent to much effort propping up failing business and individuals to remain popular rather then divert the money to where it could have done long term good. 

The latest payment £1,000 payment to business for bringing people back of furlough is the prime example, popular but what does it actually achieve?

Was it to remain popular though? Or was it simply a mechanism that offered them several political advantages? Such as propping up the economy so that we are not continuing a trade negotiation with europe from a weaker position. Or allowing them to increase taxes to help alleviate the expenditure/revenue gap (anyone remember the pledge they made to have a budget surplus by end of 17/18? still waiting) under the illusion of repaying these emergency measures? Can't hate the guys who came riding in on a white horse spraypainted donkey wrapped in shining armour tinfoil, can we?  

The one thing I do know is that you normally cannot shut politicians up about how their policy will work, when they truly believe in it as the right & reasoned decision. It is when they lack that conviction they give (to paraphrase) the "this is my decision and I don't need to explain it" type answer, like the one the Rt Hon Rishi gave to Jim Harra when the latter questioned the policy - as it's unlikely to retain any jobs other than those that would have been retained anyway (so money for nothing). 

storeton

Can I apply for a bounceback loan if I switch my business account to HSBC
And is it flogging another dead horse?

justwhat

sharpe106 said:

The latest payment £1,000 payment to business for bringing people back of furlough is the prime example, popular but what does it actually achieve?

Its to save jobs and slow redundancies down.  If we have too many redundancies rapidly the economy will go into melt down lol 

Pollycat

Didn't MSE/Martin Lewis support WASPI too?