More Police woes

sassy_one

Following my post a few days ago I am back seeking some more advice.


The couple in question have now drawn a cross roads.
The question I have is, if the Police said to you we will come knocking on your door day and night until we get a response, bearing in mind they have no criminal investigation live (confirmed) and no warrant, could this be viewed as intimidation and harassment by a member of law enforcement?

My own theory it would fall into attempting to cause alarm, harassment and distress. 

The Police have been told on advice of a legal representative that they should go and obtain a warrant if they wish to get access to the premises any further due to the constant attendances.

They disliked this being told to them and then proceeded to make the above statement, they'd keep attending day and night until someone gives them access to the address.

Furthermore the Police apparently also told the person they wish to "check is safe and well" they should sort their attitude out then slammed the phone down on them, as they told them they were not prepared to engage with them anymore or meet with me because of the level of malicious calls made to Police over "concerns for welfare".

For anyone who missed my last thread, I know someone who is being subject to harassment via the Police because someone keeps telephoning Police reporting violence, held against will, domestic abuse, concerns for welfare etc and so far they've had over 40 odd attendances.


Any directions I can pass would be helpful!

Thank you 

swingaloo

Well I haven't read your other thread but just from reading this post I would think that there is a great amount of wasted Police time if they have had to attend over 40 times for malicious reasons. How is it Police harassment if someone is reporting an issue to them causing them to attend.  Wouldn't it be sensible to allow access and clear the matter up for the sake of everyone concerned?

Comms69

sassy-one said:

Following my post a few days ago I am back seeking some more advice.


The couple in question have now drawn a cross roads.
The question I have is, if the Police said to you we will come knocking on your door day and night until we get a response, bearing in mind they have no criminal investigation live (confirmed) and no warrant, could this be viewed as intimidation and harassment by a member of law enforcement? - Possibly. But it depends on why they're turning up. The police can knock on your door for reasons which are outside the scope of you being a suspect in a crime

My own theory it would fall into attempting to cause alarm, harassment and distress. - it would more likely be misfeasance in a public office. The police service as a whole is pretty much immune from harassment claims

The Police have been told on advice of a legal representative that they should go and obtain a warrant if they wish to get access to the premises any further due to the constant attendances.- that is stupid and unnecessary. The police do not need a warrant if they have sufficient powers available. regardless if it's the 1st time attending, or the hundredth

They disliked this being told to them and then proceeded to make the above statement, they'd keep attending day and night until someone gives them access to the address. - for what purpose?

Furthermore the Police apparently also told the person they wish to "check is safe and well" they should sort their attitude out then slammed the phone down on them, as they told them they were not prepared to engage with them anymore or meet with me because of the level of malicious calls made to Police over "concerns for welfare". - concerns of welfare calls are common place; and the police have power of entry if they believe there is a serious risk to life

For anyone who missed my last thread, I know someone who is being subject to harassment via the Police because someone keeps telephoning Police reporting violence, held against will, domestic abuse, concerns for welfare etc and so far they've had over 40 odd attendances. - irrelevant really, as in most of those cases the police woul dhave sufficient power of entry


Any directions I can pass would be helpful!

Thank you 

Make a complaint. 

-taff

Is there any reason why they haven't spoken to someone more senior about the malicious calls? If it has gone as far as PPU and |CPS what were they being invesitgated for? It seems to me that they should be going after the person making the calls, not the police who have a duty of care.

https://rightsofwomen.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ROW-­-Legal-Guide-­-Harassment-final.pdf

Comms69

-taff said:

Is there any reason why they haven't spoken to someone more senior about the malicious calls? If it has gone as far as PPU and |CPS what were they being invesitgated for? It seems to me that they should be going after the person making the calls, not the police who have a duty of care.

https://rightsofwomen.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ROW-­-Legal-Guide-­-Harassment-final.pdf

Just re-read the other thread. If it's gone to CPS there's definetely criminal allegations made and the OP is obviously not being 100% truthful here

Pollycat

This would have been better tagged on to the original thread rather than starting a new one.

elsien

So is there any coercive control or any other form of abuse going on in the relationship? 
It could be harassment or it could be that the third party is genuinely concerned about someone's welfare. 
Playing devil's advocate here, the controlling partner could be sending solicitors letters out and refusing access, and the other partner is not in any position to challenge this. Hence the safe and well checks. If the third party was making malicious calls, I'm fairly sure that would have been dealt with by now. 

Savvy_Sue

sassy-one said:

Any directions I can pass would be helpful!

What is your involvement in the situation: Professional? Friend?

unholyangel

You're both trying to involve the police & waste taxpayers funds for a personal grievance. 

Your complaint is with the person making the complaints, not the police. They have a duty to investigate complaints they receive - particularly those with a safeguarding element. They would be negligent if they weren't making enquiries.

Honestly, you have to feel for them. I'm not saying they're perfect (they have a lot of bad eggs) but I'd be willing to bet the police don't want to be at your door any more than you want them there! Damned if they do, damned if they don't. 

Fireflyaway

I'm not sure I understand this fully. Are you saying someone is calling the police pretending to have concerns about a person, with the sole intention of annoying that person because they know the Police will keep going round to check on them? 
If that's the case, it would be best for the person who keeps receiving the visits to speak to the Police and explain what's happening. If need be, take out some sort of injunction against the person who is making false calls. From the information you have provided, it seems the Police are just following proceedure. How are they to know if the person they are visiting needs help or not until they speak to them? Imagine if they ignored the call but the person really was in danger. I'm still not 100% this is all there is to it. Sounds strange and maybe you need to let the other 2 parties sort it out and not get too involved. 

[Deleted User]

I dont know but we had the police out last night for the neighbours very late at night.  There has been all manner of domestics going on. They rung my intercom saying let us in for door no xx, don't worry we don't need to speak to you. Kind of hope it was the neighbour pranking.