Track and trace

Hermann

Jaco70 said:

neilmcl said:

sharpe106 said:

The advice for track and trace is fairly clear the confusing part is why it is different to if you just booked it yourself.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing-and-tracing/nhs-test-and-trace-if-youve-been-in-contact-with-a-person-who-has-coronavirus/

Not sure what you mean, booked what yourself?

The advice for self-isolation should be treated as the same if someone in your household tests positive for Covid, you isolate for 14 days, even if you have a test yourself which shows your negative.

There could conceivably be hundreds of thousands / millions of Brits stuck in the house for 2 weeks feeling tickety boo, when we’re clearly closer to the end of this nightmare than the beginning.

Be very interested to hear how you've arrived at that conclusion?

Carolnee

From what I have read Covid - 19 can take 2 - 14 days to incubate after you have been in contact with some one who has tested positive,  you only become infectious when you  have symptoms and also for the 2 days before you start having symptoms. It is these two days prior to having symptoms when you are most at risk of spreading it to others, as you are unaware you have it. Testing positive tells you you are infected, not if you are incubating, being asked to quarantine for 14 days keeps you from spreading the virus for the 2 days before you show symptoms. You would need to test daily during the 14 days  to know when you start to become infectious ie the 2 days before symptoms start, it could be day 2 it could be day 14  or anywhere in between, could be you haven't caught it and after 14 days you can end quarantine. 

Jaco70

Hermann said:

Jaco70 said:

neilmcl said:

sharpe106 said:

The advice for track and trace is fairly clear the confusing part is why it is different to if you just booked it yourself.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing-and-tracing/nhs-test-and-trace-if-youve-been-in-contact-with-a-person-who-has-coronavirus/

Not sure what you mean, booked what yourself?

The advice for self-isolation should be treated as the same if someone in your household tests positive for Covid, you isolate for 14 days, even if you have a test yourself which shows your negative.

There could conceivably be hundreds of thousands / millions of Brits stuck in the house for 2 weeks feeling tickety boo, when we’re clearly closer to the end of this nightmare than the beginning.

Be very interested to hear how you've arrived at that conclusion?

I’m not claiming to have any sort of knowledge about viruses, it’s just I can see that we were losing 1000 plus people a day, now it’s 200 to 300 and hospital admissions etc are also much lower.
I accept that the answers given on here are probably correct, I’m just amazed that a huge number of people are going to have to stay home on the off chance that they may have it. I feel there is a good chance most won’t have it and it seems open to malice. 

I feel certain that I must be reading the situation wrong and in a couple of months T & T will have been shown to work, and then I’ll understand it with the help of hindsight. 

Thanks to everyone for the explanations.

Thrugelmir

Jaco70 said:

Hermann said:

Jaco70 said:

neilmcl said:

sharpe106 said:

The advice for track and trace is fairly clear the confusing part is why it is different to if you just booked it yourself.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing-and-tracing/nhs-test-and-trace-if-youve-been-in-contact-with-a-person-who-has-coronavirus/

Not sure what you mean, booked what yourself?

The advice for self-isolation should be treated as the same if someone in your household tests positive for Covid, you isolate for 14 days, even if you have a test yourself which shows your negative.

There could conceivably be hundreds of thousands / millions of Brits stuck in the house for 2 weeks feeling tickety boo, when we’re clearly closer to the end of this nightmare than the beginning.

Be very interested to hear how you've arrived at that conclusion?

I’m not claiming to have any sort of knowledge about viruses, it’s just I can see that we were losing 1000 plus people a day, now it’s 200 to 300 and hospital admissions etc are also much lower.
I accept that the answers given on here are probably correct, I’m just amazed that a huge number of people are going to have to stay home on the off chance that they may have it. I feel there is a good chance most won’t have it and it seems open to malice. 

Better than thousands of people entering a further period of lockdown. Always be the minority who'll abuse, ignore etc.  

Jaco70

One more question, somewhat related.
I’ve googled info on the track and trace app currently being trialled on IOW, and the only two concrete figures I could find were 2m proximity and 15 mins duration.
Does this mean that I will only get an alert if I spend at least 15 minutes within 2 metres of someone else, perhaps by sitting next to them on a bus, if we both have the app and the other person tests positive?
Or will I get an alert if my phone ‘shakes hands’ three or four times during a 15 minute period, possibly in different aisles in a supermarket? I realise we should all be walking in the same direction at a safe distance but I was in a Tesco Extra earlier today and I can confirm that doesn’t always happen. You get to the beer in aisle 22 and realise the houmous was back on aisle 7.

Jeremy535897

Jaco70 said:

One more question, somewhat related.
I’ve googled info on the track and trace app currently being trialled on IOW, and the only two concrete figures I could find were 2m proximity and 15 mins duration.
Does this mean that I will only get an alert if I spend at least 15 minutes within 2 metres of someone else, perhaps by sitting next to them on a bus, if we both have the app and the other person tests positive?
Or will I get an alert if my phone ‘shakes hands’ three or four times during a 15 minute period, possibly in different aisles in a supermarket? I realise we should all be walking in the same direction at a safe distance but I was in a Tesco Extra earlier today and I can confirm that doesn’t always happen. You get to the beer in aisle 22 and realise the houmous was back on aisle 7.

The app is being trialled so is not available at present. Read
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-test-and-trace-how-it-works

I doubt the app will be sophisticated enough to deal with anything more than who you have been in contact with.

Write your shopping list in the order that you go round the supermarket so you avoid doubling back. Using only one supermarket makes that easier.

Thrugelmir

15 minutes is an arbitrary figure. With anything less considered to be low exposure risk. 2 metres making allowance for someone coughing or sneezing. 

Jaco70

Thrugelmir said:

15 minutes is an arbitrary figure. With anything less considered to be low exposure risk. 2 metres making allowance for someone coughing or sneezing. 

Ok I understand how it could be 14 mins or 16 mins but what will ‘ low exposure risk’ mean in reality? The only thing that will matter to people like me, who aren’t fully across this, is whether or not we get an alert, and therefore need to isolate.

So, if I’m close to someone for 8 or 9 minutes continuously I won’t get an alert. Am I understanding this correctly? 

jimkelly

Jaco70 said:

An employee of mine had to have a test this week...…...There could conceivably be hundreds of thousands / millions of Brits stuck in the house for 2 weeks feeling tickety boo, when we’re clearly closer to the end of this nightmare than the beginning.

Which is surely a small price to pay in order to prevent most/all of your workforce getting this and you then having to close down the business for a couple of weeks?

Surely this is an example of the system working as it is intended to?

If every employer took your point of view as gospel, we certainly would not be "closer to the end of this nightmare than the beginning".  In fact, we'd be right back at square one - as we appear to be heading now in any case, with a so-called "second wave" - this thing is far from over.

Jeremy535897

I assume people who have coronavirus will be asked by contact tracers for details of who they have been in close contact with. Possibly they will try to identify contacts that lasted for over 15 minutes. Those asked won't remember everybody, never mind the precise number of minutes they were in close contact with each person. Nor is the app likely to change that. From the link I posted earlier:

"Part 2: if you are contacted by the NHS test and trace service because you have been in close contact with someone who has tested positive for coronavirus

1. alert: you will be alerted by the NHS test and trace service if you have been in close contact with someone who has tested positive for coronavirus. The alert will usually come by text, email or phone call. You should then log on to the NHS test and trace website, which is normally the easiest way for you and the service to communicate with each other – but, if not, a trained call handler will talk you through what you must do. Under-18s will get a phone call and a parent or guardian will be asked to give permission for the call to continue

2. isolate: you will be told to begin self-isolation for 14 days from your last contact with the person who has tested positive. It’s really important to do this even if you don’t feel unwell because, if you have been infected, you could become infectious to others at any point up to 14 days. Your household doesn’t need to self-isolate with you, if you do not have symptoms, but they must take extra care to follow the guidance on social distancing and handwashing and avoid contact with you at home

3. test if needed: if you develop symptoms of coronavirus, other members of your household must self-isolate immediately at home for 14 days and you must book a test at www.nhs.uk/coronavirus or call 119 if you have no internet access. If your test is positive, you must continue to stay at home for at least 7 days and we will get in touch to ask about your contacts since they must self-isolate. If your test is negative, you must still complete your 14-day self-isolation period because the virus may not be detectable yet - this is crucial to avoid unknowingly spreading the virus."