Lodgers not paying

Honeylife

OP Waiting for your update on this. What action did you take?

rtho782

Returnoftony said:

Why are people ganging up on op

Because OP is a rogue landlord, a tax dodger, that has gone into business illegally with no knowledge of how the business works, and is coming up with excuses like "the rent would be higher if I paid tax!"

Yes, and prices in the shops would be lower if they didn't pay tax or charge VAT, but it would be illegal.

macman

I doubt the OP will be back any time soon...

Hasbeen

Have read through the thread and well WOW.

 The op appears to have no understanding of current UK legislation.

Perhaps things are different elsewhere?

And is cheating HMRC. Not registered. Not protecting deposits. Having a HMO. No gas/electrical certificates. Fire regs, the list just keeps growing?

At this stage I would get more legal advice.
But
This is going to cost big time, no rent, Bill's, utility, council tax etc mounting up?

So
I would chance as suggested turn up at door with suitcase smile and say I am back, see what reaction is.

 Even if it means sleeping on sofa.

See if Ops lodgers/tenents know even less of the law than the Op?

OP if allowed back in, perhaps a few coughs ?

tatartan

Is I was the OP I’d do the following in this order.

1. educate yourself in the law, really educate yourself.

2. Seek legal advice

3. Turn up at the property and ask if you can enter and stay. Being careful not to show your cards (or lack of)

4.  If that fails, negotiate a price to get them out. You won’t come out a winner if it’s taken down any route that involves the authorities.

Miranda25

Hasbeen said:

Have read through the thread and well WOW.

 The op appears to have no understanding of current UK legislation.

Perhaps things are different elsewhere?

And is cheating HMRC. Not registered. Not protecting deposits. Having a HMO. No gas/electrical certificates. Fire regs, the list just keeps growing?

At this stage I would get more legal advice.
But
This is going to cost big time, no rent, Bill's, utility, council tax etc mounting up?

So
I would chance as suggested turn up at door with suitcase smile and say I am back, see what reaction is.

 Even if it means sleeping on sofa.

See if Ops lodgers/tenents know even less of the law than the Op?

OP if allowed back in, perhaps a few coughs ?

Hasbeen, yes things are different in some countries. 
What I cannot understand in this situation in the UK why OP should be careful to enter her own property? It is OP's property and why she should ask permission to enter there? 
Another question: who can guarantee that even if OP negotiates with tenants/lodgers to leave the house, they still will not report her to authorities after that? In this case it would be double loss?

Marvel1

Returnoftony said:

Why are people ganging up on op

Saving them from trouble?

Hasbeen

Miranda25 said:

Hasbeen said:

Have read through the thread and well WOW.

 The op appears to have no understanding of current UK legislation.

Perhaps things are different elsewhere?

And is cheating HMRC. Not registered. Not protecting deposits. Having a HMO. No gas/electrical certificates. Fire regs, the list just keeps growing?

At this stage I would get more legal advice.
But
This is going to cost big time, no rent, Bill's, utility, council tax etc mounting up?

So
I would chance as suggested turn up at door with suitcase smile and say I am back, see what reaction is.

 Even if it means sleeping on sofa.

See if Ops lodgers/tenents know even less of the law than the Op?

OP if allowed back in, perhaps a few coughs ?

Hasbeen, yes things are different in some countries. 
What I cannot understand in this situation in the UK why OP should be careful to enter her own property? It is OP's property and why she should ask permission to enter there? 
Another question: who can guarantee that even if OP negotiates with tenants/lodgers to leave the house, they still will not report her to authorities after that? In this case it would be double loss?

As said this is the UK and laws are different here.

When you come here you have to have / learn at least a basic understanding of various laws, that will affect you. If you are involved in certain situations.

One is the tenants right to Quiet Enjoyment, which is enforceable by law.

Quote: 

"Basically, it means that the tenant must be able to live in (or ‘enjoy’ to use the old-fashioned meaning of the word) the property in peace without any disturbance from the landlord or anyone acting on his behalf.

As you can see it goes with exclusive occupation. If you have exclusive occupation (at a rent for a term per Street v. Mountford) then you have a tenancy, which brings with it the covenant of quiet enjoyment.

So the landlord will breach the covenant of quiet enjoyment if he enters the property without the tenants’ permission, or if he sends his workmen in without asking first. He will also breach it if he does anything else which prevents the tenants from ‘enjoying’ their use of the property. For example by failing to carry out essential repairs, or by cutting off the supply of services.

In fact breach of the covenant of quiet enjoyment generally implies harassment and under the Protection from Eviction Act 1977, this is a criminal offence."

The tenants can if the landlord even steps foot in the garden call the police, action against the Landlord.

It might be double loss as you say, but at the moment all loss to the so called "landlord" 

And as you say if Landlord negotiates "pays" tenants to leave, at least the Landlord can start to pay off any utility and council tax bills etc? that have been mounting up to date.


EDIT: Just to say, do not think OP will be back and suspect will do their own thing that they would do abroad. But doing that may perhaps be more serious and problematic than they envisage as the Op has no understanding of any legislation re landlords/renting in the UK. 

Comms69

Miranda25 said:

Hasbeen said:

Have read through the thread and well WOW.

 The op appears to have no understanding of current UK legislation.

Perhaps things are different elsewhere?

And is cheating HMRC. Not registered. Not protecting deposits. Having a HMO. No gas/electrical certificates. Fire regs, the list just keeps growing?

At this stage I would get more legal advice.
But
This is going to cost big time, no rent, Bill's, utility, council tax etc mounting up?

So
I would chance as suggested turn up at door with suitcase smile and say I am back, see what reaction is.

 Even if it means sleeping on sofa.

See if Ops lodgers/tenents know even less of the law than the Op?

OP if allowed back in, perhaps a few coughs ?

Hasbeen, yes things are different in some countries. 
What I cannot understand in this situation in the UK why OP should be careful to enter her own property? It is OP's property and why she should ask permission to enter there? 
Another question: who can guarantee that even if OP negotiates with tenants/lodgers to leave the house, they still will not report her to authorities after that? In this case it would be double loss?

Well thats the point. It may well not be the OPs property. 

Lets say you buy shares in microsoft, doesnt mean you can walk through HQ...

Hasbeen

Comms69 said:

Miranda25 said:

Hasbeen said:

Have read through the thread and well WOW.

 The op appears to have no understanding of current UK legislation.

Perhaps things are different elsewhere?

And is cheating HMRC. Not registered. Not protecting deposits. Having a HMO. No gas/electrical certificates. Fire regs, the list just keeps growing?

At this stage I would get more legal advice.
But
This is going to cost big time, no rent, Bill's, utility, council tax etc mounting up?

So
I would chance as suggested turn up at door with suitcase smile and say I am back, see what reaction is.

 Even if it means sleeping on sofa.

See if Ops lodgers/tenents know even less of the law than the Op?

OP if allowed back in, perhaps a few coughs ?

Hasbeen, yes things are different in some countries. 
What I cannot understand in this situation in the UK why OP should be careful to enter her own property? It is OP's property and why she should ask permission to enter there? 
Another question: who can guarantee that even if OP negotiates with tenants/lodgers to leave the house, they still will not report her to authorities after that? In this case it would be double loss?

Well thats the point. It may well not be the OPs property. 

Lets say you buy shares in microsoft, doesnt mean you can walk through HQ...

Yaroslava said:

I bought a property a few years ago, I’ve never done it to make money, it’s just been a enough to cover the bills and mortgage, and I’ve constantly been putting money in to the house to renovate it from the very dated state it was in, so there hasn't been a profit.