Citizen Card Scam

born_again

Hope the doctor does not charge too much for the proof. 
£30 @ ours....
Even solicitors are not cheap.

Now if only we had a National ID card

jasonwatkins

born_again said:

Hope the doctor does not charge too much for the proof. 
£30 @ ours....
Even solicitors are not cheap.

Now if only we had a National ID card

Doctor won’t do it.  Post office in town won’t do it and Santander, where I’m an existing customer, also won’t do it so that’s me done with the idea.

It’s a pain I’ve lost a tenner over it but so be it.

Thanks for all of the suggestions and ideas everyone

jon81uk

born_again said:

Now if only we had a National ID card

I do think we really should just have one, even if it is only compulsory to start with for 18 year olds to receive it and everyone else its optional for now. That way as people get older more and more have them.
Just tie it into the driving license system anyway as that basically is used as the standard proof of ID.

Spank

My dentist provided proof a few years ago & didn't charge for it

mikb

CardinalWolsey said:

 I was going to recommend a provisional driving licence

Possibly false economy -- most ID requirements say "Full UK Driving Licence". That does not include provisional (and sometimes it says so, in so many words).

Jumblebumble

justjayne01_2 said:

My daughter is 33 and her passport due to expire next month. She couldn’t afford to renew her passport and has no intention of travelling abroad any time soon, so when she found this citizen card online, she decided to apply for one. 

Now, she has never submitted her passport as proof of ID to this company and she hasn’t verified her address, but, the company have taken her £15 as “an application fee” and are refusing to refund it because the “7 day cooling off period/money back guarantee doesn’t apply” (I thought it was 14 days cooling off period anyway?) She paid via PayPal and is making a claim via their complaints process. In the meantime, the company have said that she must cancel that before she can claim her money back from them. But even then, they can’t guarantee she will get it because of the above reasons. 

The card isn’t accepted anywhere she would want to present it as proof of age/ID etc anyway. How are they allowed to run this company like that? It’s disgusting. 

i have no idea how insisting on producing a non mobile number is of any use whatever
I can set up an 0203 VoIP number to divert to a mobile in 30 seconds

Yahoo_Mail

jasonwatkins said:

born_again said:

Hope the doctor does not charge too much for the proof. 
£30 @ ours....
Even solicitors are not cheap.

Now if only we had a National ID card

Doctor won’t do it.  Post office in town won’t do it and Santander, where I’m an existing customer, also won’t do it so that’s me done with the idea.

It’s a pain I’ve lost a tenner over it but so be it.

Thanks for all of the suggestions and ideas everyone

It's probably for the best. I'm not sure any of those could be considered to "know you personally" and that is what is required if you're submitting a birth certificate as proof of ID.  You do know that the same sort of requirements exist when applying for a first passport or driving licence too right?  So I'm not really sure why CItizen Card is getting all the complaints here, it's a fairly standard way of checking you are who you say you are, which seems like a good idea for a form of ID.

jasonwatkins

Yahoo_Mail said:

jasonwatkins said:

born_again said:

Hope the doctor does not charge too much for the proof. 
£30 @ ours....
Even solicitors are not cheap.

Now if only we had a National ID card

Doctor won’t do it.  Post office in town won’t do it and Santander, where I’m an existing customer, also won’t do it so that’s me done with the idea.

It’s a pain I’ve lost a tenner over it but so be it.

Thanks for all of the suggestions and ideas everyone

It's probably for the best. I'm not sure any of those could be considered to "know you personally" and that is what is required if you're submitting a birth certificate as proof of ID.  You do know that the same sort of requirements exist when applying for a first passport or driving licence too right?  So I'm not really sure why CItizen Card is getting all the complaints here, it's a fairly standard way of checking you are who you say you are, which seems like a good idea for a form of ID.

If I do eventually go down the passport route, it'll be a renewal since I did have one about twenty odd years ago.
Thankfully it's never really an issue for me, aside from if I try and open a bank account, but my banking situation as it is at the moment works nicely so I don't really have to change it for the sake of changing it.
If I'd have managed to get this card and verify the Revolut account then obviously things would be different but at the moment I'm at peace with the whole idea really.   I'm not about to pay out £85 quid for something that I might only need to use once or twice, but that's fine.

Manxman_in_exile

An expired passport can be evidence of identification.  (If you think about it, it's quite obvious really as you don't suddenly cease to be who you are at some arbitrary date.)  Mind you I'm not saying that one that is 20 years old is going to work.  Have you asked Revolut?

I renewed a passport that had been expired for nearly 20 years - who's to say I was that person?  (The JP who counter-signed my renewal photograph certainly didn't know me from when I had the original passport - or even when it had expired).  Can you prove that you "now" is the same person as the expired passport?

davidmcn

Manxman_in_exile said:

An expired passport can be evidence of identification.  (If you think about it, it's quite obvious really as you don't suddenly cease to be who you are at some arbitrary date.)  Mind you I'm not saying that one that is 20 years old is going to work.  Have you asked Revolut?

I renewed a passport that had been expired for nearly 20 years - who's to say I was that person?  (The JP who counter-signed my renewal photograph certainly didn't know me from when I had the original passport - or even when it had expired).  Can you prove that you "now" is the same person as the expired passport?

The Passport Office I suppose has the reassurance that they know you haven't declared the old passport lost/stolen etc, and that they had already checked your identity (and citizenship status) back when they issued it.

Conversely, old passports might be viewed with suspicion when used for ID purposes as the original holder might have lost/disposed of it without noticing or bothering to notify anybody, and they can be used as the basis for forgery (to a standard which might fool a bank clerk in a hurry but not an immigration officer).