Information regarding historical anti-social behaviour?

leamingtonspaceman

Smodlet said:
I think you might consider inviting your friends to live in your ivory tower with you if you are so concerned about them. 

Another incorrect assumption.
See my previous post.

I AM concerned about them. That's not something that should be used as a tool to make some sarcastic comment against me. I am concerned for them because I love them and care for them. If I lived in a bigger property myself I would gladly let them live with me.

But please... don't try to substantiate your own narrative by using the fact that I am concerned about them against me.

leamingtonspaceman

davidmcn said:

leamingtonspaceman said:

davidmcn said:

leamingtonspaceman said:

davidmcn said:

In theory they could make a FOI request, but probably then find it's redacted or refused because it would contain personal information about the complainant or complainee which the council can't disclose. I doubt they have a remedy about it not being disclosed to them before they took on the flat, all they can really do is pursue further action now.

But if this behaviour is historical then surely there has been a dereliction of duty and care by the council in housing a couple with a child in such an environment?

I don't know the nature of the ASB, but is there anything in particular about it which makes a couple with a child a worse option for tenants than somebody else?

The effects of ASB on anyone can be far-reaching. But a newborn child has specific nurturing needs from parents... needs that an adult doesn't have. If the parents are being affected to the extent my friends are then it impacts on their ability to parent a young child who is in the first stages of life.

The nature of some of the ASB affects the child directly via sensory means.

So, not a good situation for anyone but to expose a baby to it is pretty irresponsible.

But this isn't related to my original question.

Your original post said "I am wondering if the Council acted irresponsibly housing a young couple with a baby in a flat with known and historical ASB issues going on around them.". Was that meant to be merely a statement for our information rather than a request for advice about the legal position? If the latter, I doubt there is such a duty.

It was a question and a request for advice. It was a question clearly relating to my request for advice about obtaining historical information. 

You have answered that question to the best of your ability by saying "I doubt there is such a duty."

I didn't ask for any advice on what to do about the noise/ASB issues. I clearly stated in my original post that these issues were being dealt with through the correct channels.

I asked ONE question.

I didn't ask for any advice on what I or my friends should be doing regarding reporting and addressing the ASB. I didn't ask for anyone's opinion about whether my friends should ask for a move.

I didn't ask about any of this because I didn't need to.

Contributors are welcome and free to post whatever they want to... that has been established.

But as I have previously stated, if somebody asks you for the time you have two options:

1. Tell them the time.
2. Tell them you don't know the time.

You don't advise them to get watch. You don't ask them why they want to know the time. You don't ask them if they have a watch but seem unable to use it. You don't give them a lesson on how to tell the time.

You just tell them the time.

It's very simple...

leamingtonspaceman

Norman_Castle said:

leamingtonspaceman said:

Chandler85 said:

The short answer is, you will find it extremely hard to find out unless another neighbour confirms an actual complaint was put in.  Not just that the old resident use to whinge on the hallway every so often.

All the rubbish about it being irresponsible to house someone with a child there is irrelevant.  There are probably thousands of children from 0-18 growing up in houses with noisy neighbours and anti-social people, whether they are rented, privately owned or council.  The council won't move someone because they have a young child and it is noisy, the same child will probably be a cause of noise to someone else in the future.  That is life.

The options are to complain to the council/ housing association or try and get an exchange with someone else and move homes.  There is a shortage of council/ social housing almost everywhere in the country. 

A noisy flat is better then a temporary B&B or on the streets.

  It's this kind of attitude that allows this type of behaviour to proliferate... people who just accept it and don't fight it.

The council will move someone who has a child and is being subject to noise if you fight hard enough. They'll also evict the perpetrator of the noise and ASB if you fight hard enough and aren't afraid of or intimidated by such people.

 I'm dealing with this on their behalf.

I'm sure your friends appreciate your help however thinking this will be any easy win if you fight is deluded. 

Can you please quote where I have said that I think this will be an easy win?

I'll help you.

Nowhere.

You've made that assumption in your own head and it's an incorrect one.

leamingtonspaceman

Norman_Castle said:

leamingtonspaceman said:

Chandler85 said:

The short answer is, you will find it extremely hard to find out unless another neighbour confirms an actual complaint was put in.  Not just that the old resident use to whinge on the hallway every so often.

All the rubbish about it being irresponsible to house someone with a child there is irrelevant.  There are probably thousands of children from 0-18 growing up in houses with noisy neighbours and anti-social people, whether they are rented, privately owned or council.  The council won't move someone because they have a young child and it is noisy, the same child will probably be a cause of noise to someone else in the future.  That is life.

The options are to complain to the council/ housing association or try and get an exchange with someone else and move homes.  There is a shortage of council/ social housing almost everywhere in the country. 

A noisy flat is better then a temporary B&B or on the streets.

  It's this kind of attitude that allows this type of behaviour to proliferate... people who just accept it and don't fight it.

The council will move someone who has a child and is being subject to noise if you fight hard enough. They'll also evict the perpetrator of the noise and ASB if you fight hard enough and aren't afraid of or intimidated by such people.

 I'm dealing with this on their behalf.

I'm sure you will be rudely dismissive of my reply as you have previously and towards others.

With regards to the child suffering I suspect they will be harmed more by the stress they feel from the parents than the issues themselves.

I haven't been "rudely dismissive." Indeed, you and SOME others have been ignorant of the information I was requesting. Likewise you and SOME others have made incorrect assumptions about me, my situation and my experiences without checking those out with me first. If anything could be classed as rude and extremely dismissive then it's this.

Do you know anything about child development?

The child will be harmed by the situation as a whole. The stress will be part of it. But lack of restorative sleep for a child due to the actual noise will be severely detrimental to the child's development.

And before you ask... I used to be a child counsellor/therapist.

I understand that noise and ASB issues are emotive and stressful. I've been through it myself and I feel greatly for those contributors who have and are still going through such struggles.

But that's not a reason to jump on my post that asks one simple question. 

Some of you have shared your experiences emotively and with obvious passion. This would indicate that you are stressed and anxious about your own situations and I get that.

But to make incorrect assumptions and judgements about me won't help you.

The first response to my post was indicative of the sort of response that was adequate. And I thanked that contributor in a gracious manner.

But for others to make comments or offer unsolicited advice that doesn't pertain to the question at hand isn't sensible or fair.

I hope those of you who are suffering from noise and ASB issues get them resolved. These issues are being exacerbated right now for obvious reasons 

Stay safe, stay sane and content...

Norman_Castle

^ If you had stated your claimed previous asb experience and child councillor expertise in your first post you would have got different responses although it seems clear you enjoy self importantly talking down to people.

I'm sure you will tell me the above is wrong but don't expect a reply, life really is too short.

Davesnave

Although drip feed isn't generally appreciated on forums, we should all have the freedom to be whoever we want on here; choosing to mask or reveal our full identities.

Not me though. As you can see, I'm Queen Victoria.

leamingtonspaceman

Norman_Castle said:

^ If you had stated your claimed previous asb experience and child councillor expertise in your first post you would have got different responses although it seems clear you enjoy self importantly talking down to people.

I'm sure you will tell me the above is wrong but don't expect a reply, life really is too short.

I'm not going to tell you it's right or wrong.
My take on it is that there was simply no need for me to tell you about anything else regarding me or my previous experience as none of that pertained to the question.

I asked one question.

The responses that you perceive as "talking down" to people are only as a response to the same.

The multitude of incorrect assumptions you've made about me is quite alarming. Indeed, you chose to describe me as "deluded" based on something I never even said. You based it on something you made up. You assumed that I thought this would be an easy win. I never said such a thing.

I am certainly able to afford myself the opportunity to highlight such contributions because they are entirely fictional.

My last post was an attempt to show some contrition but it obviously fell on deaf ears.

I see no sign of the same from you.

I see your post count is 9.4K. So it would seem that life really isn't that short for you.

My post count is 120. Not 120K... just 120.

Life is too short.

If people feel they are being talked down to it usually stems from a lack of self-confidence and some sort of inferiority complex. There isn't anything I can do about that 

The simple fact is that people such as yourself don't really read people's posts properly.

My original post asked:

"𝘚𝘰... 𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘵 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘩𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘯𝘰𝘪𝘴𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘈𝘚𝘉 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘸𝘰 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘷𝘰𝘭𝘷𝘦𝘥? 𝘐 𝘢𝘮 𝘸𝘰𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘭 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘺 𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘢 𝘣𝘢𝘣𝘺 𝘪𝘯 𝘢 𝘧𝘭𝘢𝘵 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘩𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘈𝘚𝘉 𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘶𝘦𝘴 𝘨𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮.

𝘈𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘭 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘰𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘰 𝘳𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘢𝘭 𝘴𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯?"

Your first response was:

"𝘠𝘰𝘶'𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘶𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘭 𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘸𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘣𝘭𝘦𝘮, 𝘰𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘢𝘳𝘦𝘯'𝘵 𝘢𝘴 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘥𝘰𝘯'𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘪𝘯. 𝘈𝘴𝘬 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘢 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘴𝘧𝘦𝘳 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘹𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦."

I obviously wasn't assuming the council were aware of the problem. I was simply asking IF the council were obliged to reveal such information if it existed. I did NOT ask for advice about a transfer or exchange.

You didn't read my post correctly as you are probably busy adding to your 9.4K posts.

leamingtonspaceman

Davesnave said:

Although drip feed isn't generally appreciated on forums, we should all have the freedom to be whoever we want on here; choosing to mask or reveal our full identities.

Not me though. As you can see, I'm Queen Victoria.

Drip feed isn't appreciated... you're right.

But neither is unfounded extrapolation and unnecessary assumption made without thought or foundation.

Such contributions will sometimes illicit responses that allow the original contributor to defend their position from fictional comments.

Nor should people be making unsolicited comments that are not related to the question being asked. Obviously people can do this and will, as has been exhibited here.

wilfred30

leamingtonspaceman said:

So... is it possible to find out about historical complaints of noise and ASB relating to the two properties involved? 
Are the Council under any obligation to reveal such information?

No

leamingtonspaceman

wilfred30 said:

leamingtonspaceman said:

So... is it possible to find out about historical complaints of noise and ASB relating to the two properties involved? 
Are the Council under any obligation to reveal such information?

No

Thanks.

All I needed to know...