Jsa boosted money?

ex-homelessdude2

Nannytone said:

Maybe people should stop bleating let someone is getting more than then and realise but under current circumstances are lucky to be alive I've

you're the only bleating, whatever that means.

Spoonie_Turtle said:

those on UC who were already not working are an accidental side-effect 

its got nothing to with accidental side effect. UC is the replacement for JSA, everybody already on UC before and after pandemic get extra to deal with increased living costs, those that havent been switched dont.

Spoonie_Turtle

ex-homelessdude2 said:

Nannytone said:

Maybe people should stop bleating let someone is getting more than then and realise but under current circumstances are lucky to be alive I've

you're the only bleating, whatever that means.

Spoonie_Turtle said:

those on UC who were already not working are an accidental side-effect 

its got nothing to with accidental side effect. UC is the replacement for JSA, everybody already on UC before and after pandemic get extra to deal with increased living costs, those that havent been switched dont.

Perhaps I should have specified: those already on UC who were already not working before the pandemic, who have not lost any income yet receive extra because of the temporary increase accidentally get more anyway, because the system cannot distinguish between those who would and those who would not qualify based on loss of income directly due to coronavirus - those are the accidental side-effect. UC replaces ESA and Tax Credits as well as JSA, and the majority of those for whom it's replaced ESA are not working because they are too ill to do so.

I am one of those people, and I would happily give back the increase if it meant it went to people who need it more - but I can't, so instead it will bump up my housekeeping and help my parents out instead (Dad's on 80% of his wage, we are finding groceries more expensive, plus more electricity and various other consumables are being used because we're all at home. I'm not complaining, just saying it will be useful to take off some of the extra financial pressure on them).

The extra is not because of increased living costs though. The extra is mainly so that self-employed people who have to claim UC because their regular income has stopped can receive the equivalent of SSP. Yes there's the grant scheme but between now and June they do have to eat - and the grant when it comes through will be taken into account in their UC entitlement so they will effectively have to repay a fair amount (more than 63% because of the surplus earnings rule) some of it. 

Edit: I'm not saying it's entirely fair - nothing about the benefits system is! But people who moan about the out-of-work benefits not getting the same increase are missing the point.
Also, nobody's stopping you from claiming UC if you wish to access the increase.

calcotti

Spoonie_Turtle said:.. - and the grant when it comes through will be taken into account in their UC entitlement so they will effectively have to repay a fair amount (more than 63% because of the surplus earnings rule). 

The proportion of the grant that may be recovered will vary considerably depending on circumstances. If it only affects one AP the recovery will be 63% unless there is a Work Allowance which will reduce the % recovered. If the surplus earnings rules apply the overall recovery rate will be lower than 63% because there is a £2,500 carry forward disregard each month.

KatrinaWaves

Has anything official been announced on how UC will work alongside the 80% furlough? As if the ‘lump sum’ of the backdated waged does only affect one months UC then people may end up being paid twice by government funding. Have they said that UC will carry on as normal rules regardless? 

calcotti

KatrinaWaves said:

Has anything official been announced on how UC will work alongside the 80% furlough? As if the ‘lump sum’ of the backdated waged does only affect one months UC then people may end up being paid twice by government funding. Have they said that UC will carry on as normal rules regardless? 

There is nothing to indicate it won’t. I’m not sure what you mean by the ‘lump sum’. Surely employees on furlough should be getting paid on their normal payment cycle.
The self-employed getting the SEISS grant will have this treated as earnings and then subject to ‘surplus earnings’ rules in the normal way. https://www.understandinguniversalcredit.gov.uk/new-to-universal-credit/self-employment/

KatrinaWaves

calcotti said:

KatrinaWaves said:

Has anything official been announced on how UC will work alongside the 80% furlough? As if the ‘lump sum’ of the backdated waged does only affect one months UC then people may end up being paid twice by government funding. Have they said that UC will carry on as normal rules regardless? 

There is nothing to indicate it won’t. I’m not sure what you mean by the ‘lump sum’. Surely employees on furlough should be getting paid on their normal payment cycle.
The self-employed getting the SEISS grant will have this treated as earnings and then subject to ‘surplus earnings’ rules in the normal way. https://www.understandinguniversalcredit.gov.uk/new-to-universal-credit/self-employment/

There seem to be a lot of companies employees coming through our channels stating they won’t get paid until reimbursed by the govt. will they just be reporting to HMRC as normal but not actually paying out? (I know that’s very much not allowed but there seem to be a lot out there) how does that help people short term? 

I must say I’ve really only concentrated on my very small area of what’s going on as there’s just so much about it’s impossible to keep up. Interesting to read about though. 

calcotti

KatrinaWaves said:
I must say I’ve really only concentrated on my very small area of what’s going on as there’s just so much about it’s impossible to keep up. 

Very true, very hard to keep up and extremely challenging for those engaging with benefits system for the first time.

epm-84

sparkycat2 said:

Nannytone said:

The extra payment is meant to be be for people that work and they had a large drop in income. The fact that some people on Universal Credit that don't work had an increase is just there good luck. 

Yeah because you cannot expect all those hard working taxpayers who now find themselves reliant on state support to survive on normal benefits like £73 JSA for the unemployed, £73 ESA for the disabled, or £66 carer's allowance. No, no they need up to £2,500 a month Job Furlough, or at least £93 a week Universal Credit, money is no object in support of them because they are the most in need, the most vulnerable, not say those on less money who are unable to work due to disability or being full time carers or losing their job before recent events, they are the undeserving poor. 

I'm on furlough and like most other people on furlough I've had a period of unemployment previously where the only income I've got is JSA so we know what it is like to live on £73 a week.  Very few furloughed workers are actually getting £2500 per month - most, like me, are getting less than the minimum wage.  Quoting the £2500 figure is a bit like saying people who fall in to the 20% income tax band get £50,000 per year - they don't, they get between £12,500 and £50,000 with more getting towards the lower end than the higher end.

Don't forget one of the main aims of the furlough scheme is to protect businesses - the Conservative government haven't just implemented a socialist worker policy, even though they'd like the working class to believe that they have.  Employees on furlough are on standby - ready to be recalled as and when the business needs them.  They still have to phone in sick while on furlough (and only may only get SSP until they recover) and also have to give notice if they want to permanently leave.  This means if hypothetically at 5pm today the government announced restaurants can reopen on Monday that the furloughed workers would be required to report for work as normal next week and the restaurant can reopen, rather than needing to recruit new staff before they can reopen and having to remain closed even after the government has given the green light for them to reopen.

You also seem to have forgotten those who've been in work for a significant period of time are more likely to be ineligible for the full amount of UC due to how much they have in their savings accounts.  The top rate figure of £93 which you quoted is more likely to go to those who have been out-of-work for an extended period of time, who have no savings.  

Spoonie_Turtle

calcotti said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:.. - and the grant when it comes through will be taken into account in their UC entitlement so they will effectively have to repay a fair amount (more than 63% because of the surplus earnings rule). 

The proportion of the grant that may be recovered will vary considerably depending on circumstances. If it only affects one AP the recovery will be 63% unless there is a Work Allowance which will reduce the % recovered. If the surplus earnings rules apply the overall recovery rate will be lower than 63% because there is a £2,500 carry forward disregard each month.

Ah, I should have said 'possibly more than 63%' - though that may still have worked out wrong, serves me right for posting so late - and I thought the disregard was going down to something like £300. If that's not happening now that will be a massive help for a lot of people! 

Gig1968

I may be controversial and most will disagree. But I'm not really bothered. I have read many comments. I'm jealous I admit that my ESA benefit has not been increased. I disagree with the reasons why but I have to put up  with that.
Most people have been out of work for at most a month. I feel sorry for these people don't get me wrong and I pray that they get their jobs  back when this horrible disease passes by. 
The chancellor has
 looked after the majority of these people through a reasonable scheme so that most don't suffer too much.
But I don't accept the majority of the comments like the following:
 1I can't get through on the telephone
  2 I've sent the form off.
3 I  need the money right now
4 The price of food and electricity has gone up.
5 I can't afford to feed the kids.
6  Ican't afford the mortgage.
7 I haven't heard nothing back from the dwp.
My answers would be comments 1 and 2 and 7 the dwp are inundated with calls from the new millions of claimants so I'm afraid you will have to wait. Just like legacy benefit claimants have allways had to.
The answer to question 3 I'm afraid is dependent on the answers above. The government just doesn't drop money into people's Bank account. Talking to your bank or creditors and explaining the situation must surely be the first step.
There is a three month mortgage holiday available to all if they contact there bank or building society.
I just get the feeling that people want the money placed straight away into there bank . It doesn't work like that I'm afraid.
I refuse to accept that most people can't wait for the short time that the dwp takes to sort it out.
Be fair you are not the only that needs help. If you have been furloughed and you are still complaining count your so lucky you are receiving a decent amount of money. We cannot predict the future right now sit tight and pray that everything returns to normal and you can return to work.