New employer asking to see my P60

Allezallez89

Undervalued said:

Dox said:

Allezallez89 said:

I will recently be starting a new job and one of things my new employer is asking for is a copy of my P60 is this normal practice?  I know they need my P45 but didn't realise that they needed to see my P60.  I am a little bit nervous as I was a little bit creative with what my current salary was during the interview process

'Little bit creative'. If you lie at any stage of the process, then you run the risk of being found out - and it sounds as if your potential new employer may have done just that and is checking accordingly.

In fact, deliberately making a false statement in an attempt to secure employment is fraud! Occasionally people have been prosecuted for it!

Thanks for pointing that out!!

Allezallez89

JReacher1 said:

Undervalued said:

Dox said:

Allezallez89 said:

I will recently be starting a new job and one of things my new employer is asking for is a copy of my P60 is this normal practice?  I know they need my P45 but didn't realise that they needed to see my P60.  I am a little bit nervous as I was a little bit creative with what my current salary was during the interview process

'Little bit creative'. If you lie at any stage of the process, then you run the risk of being found out - and it sounds as if your potential new employer may have done just that and is checking accordingly.

In fact, deliberately making a false statement in an attempt to secure employment is fraud! Occasionally people have been prosecuted for it!

I don’t believe anyone has ever been prosecuted for inflating their previous salary. 

No niether have I - right barrel of laughs in their house - not!

Gavin83

Allezallez89 said:

Gavin83 said:

Allezallez89 said:

I will recently be starting a new job and one of things my new employer is asking for is a copy of my P60 is this normal practice?  I know they need my P45 but didn't realise that they needed to see my P60.  I am a little bit nervous as I was a little bit creative with what my current salary was during the interview process

How much did you over inflate your salary by?

I would say it’s unusual practice unless they have reason to believe you may have lied about your salary. Have they recently received references?

Not by much at all to be fair and I can probably explain it away.  I just wondered if it was normal as I don't recall doing it before.  Thanks for the answers everyone.

If it’s only by a minimal amount you’ll be fine. If you’d been inflating your salary by 25%+ you’d have had a difficult job right about now. 5% or so would be easy to explain away.

Still, saying this I never really understand why people over-inflate their salaries. It really doesn’t need to make a difference to their salary offer if you don’t let it. If anything it’s more likely to result in you not receiving a job offer at all.

Humdinger1

Allez, I can see lots of people piling in here.  While I do believe the truth is important, I do think it's wrong that companies may seek to depress salaries by tying current pay to previous; the question is,  what are you worth to them in the role they're interviewing for.  Agree with all the comments re P60 being out  of date and not really any use for this purpose.  I know we're not America,  mercifully in many respects, but food for thought is that a fairly recent law makes it illegal in at least some states (and it's expected to become much more widespread) to ask about previous/current salary because it entrenches disadvantage already suffered by certain ethnic groups, parents, carers,  and women.  Good luck and keep us posted Humdinger 

nick74

Gavin83 said:

Still, saying this I never really understand why people over-inflate their salaries. It really doesn’t need to make a difference to their salary offer if you don’t let it. If anything it’s more likely to result in you not receiving a job offer at all.

I have over inflated my salary on one occasion in the past. For several years I had been working for a company that basically never gave any pay increases to anyone if they could help it. Partly as a result of this, and partly due to my increased experience my salary had fallen significantly below the going rate for the level of work I was doing. Whenever I discussed my rate of pay with the bosses they dangled a carrot of a future promotion and pay increase, which never actually materialised.

When I finally had enough and began applying for other jobs I then faced a Catch-22. When I told interviewers my true salary no one would take me seriously for the roles I was applying for because they assumed I wasn't up to it. One interviewer even said 'Why is your current salary so low, what's wrong with your work?' So, in frustration I decided to add 15% onto my current salary..and the next job I applied for I was offered the position after 20 minutes in the interview. The only untruth on my CV was my existing salary, everything else was totally accurate.

 It's not something I would do now, but at the time it did help to get my career out of the rut it was stuck in.

Undervalued

Allezallez89 said:

JReacher1 said:

Undervalued said:

Dox said:

Allezallez89 said:

I will recently be starting a new job and one of things my new employer is asking for is a copy of my P60 is this normal practice?  I know they need my P45 but didn't realise that they needed to see my P60.  I am a little bit nervous as I was a little bit creative with what my current salary was during the interview process

'Little bit creative'. If you lie at any stage of the process, then you run the risk of being found out - and it sounds as if your potential new employer may have done just that and is checking accordingly.

In fact, deliberately making a false statement in an attempt to secure employment is fraud! Occasionally people have been prosecuted for it!

I don’t believe anyone has ever been prosecuted for inflating their previous salary. 

No niether have I - right barrel of laughs in their house - not!

Well here is an article for you to read.....

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/employees/lying-on-a-job-application/

Undervalued

Allezallez89 said:

Undervalued said:

Dox said:

Allezallez89 said:

I will recently be starting a new job and one of things my new employer is asking for is a copy of my P60 is this normal practice?  I know they need my P45 but didn't realise that they needed to see my P60.  I am a little bit nervous as I was a little bit creative with what my current salary was during the interview process

'Little bit creative'. If you lie at any stage of the process, then you run the risk of being found out - and it sounds as if your potential new employer may have done just that and is checking accordingly.

In fact, deliberately making a false statement in an attempt to secure employment is fraud! Occasionally people have been prosecuted for it!

Thanks for pointing that out!!

Your welcome.

The reason for your question here is that you are concerned that you have been "found out" and are worried about the consequences. 

Depending on the field of work it is quite possible the job offer may be withdrawn. Consequences beyond that are far less likely but they can and do happen. It would depend on exactly how "creative" the applicant has been and the field of work they are applying for.

You are quite entitled to say (truthfully) my current salary is £XX K and I would only be willing to consider moving if you offer me Y% more than that. You can also say "I am not able to divulge my current salary but I am looking for £ ZZ K". What you can't lawfully do is make any false statement at all in an attempt to secure work.

Allezallez89

Humdinger1 said:

Allez, I can see lots of people piling in here.  While I do believe the truth is important, I do think it's wrong that companies may seek to depress salaries by tying current pay to previous; the question is,  what are you worth to them in the role they're interviewing for.  Agree with all the comments re P60 being out  of date and not really any use for this purpose.  I know we're not America,  mercifully in many respects, but food for thought is that a fairly recent law makes it illegal in at least some states (and it's expected to become much more widespread) to ask about previous/current salary because it entrenches disadvantage already suffered by certain ethnic groups, parents, carers,  and women.  Good luck and keep us posted Humdinger 

Thanks Humdinger, I have only ever posted two things on this forum asking for advice and both times have come under attack from certain quarters (keyboard warriors with no lives I guess) - I know that I may not have played things exactly with a straight bat but in the business I am in what I have done is not unusual.  If it was me doing the interviewing I wouldn't have asked what the candidates salary was.  Why would it be important? The salary was already set for the position and it would be all about whether I thought he, or she could fulfil the role. In this case the set salary was quite a bit more than I was already on so I rightly or wrongly inflated it slightly.  The other thing is - they need me, I know it and they know it so it is what it is.   

Allezallez89

nick74 said:

Gavin83 said:

Still, saying this I never really understand why people over-inflate their salaries. It really doesn’t need to make a difference to their salary offer if you don’t let it. If anything it’s more likely to result in you not receiving a job offer at all.

I have over inflated my salary on one occasion in the past. For several years I had been working for a company that basically never gave any pay increases to anyone if they could help it. Partly as a result of this, and partly due to my increased experience my salary had fallen significantly below the going rate for the level of work I was doing. Whenever I discussed my rate of pay with the bosses they dangled a carrot of a future promotion and pay increase, which never actually materialised.

When I finally had enough and began applying for other jobs I then faced a Catch-22. When I told interviewers my true salary no one would take me seriously for the roles I was applying for because they assumed I wasn't up to it. One interviewer even said 'Why is your current salary so low, what's wrong with your work?' So, in frustration I decided to add 15% onto my current salary..and the next job I applied for I was offered the position after 20 minutes in the interview. The only untruth on my CV was my existing salary, everything else was totally accurate.

 It's not something I would do now, but at the time it did help to get my career out of the rut it was stuck in.

Nick, I can totally relate to your situation and thank you.  I am exactly the same as you, my CV is bang on and open to be checked.  Everything on there is factual and that is the reason they are employing me.  Although the salary was set for this position on a sliding scale i can virtually guarantee that if I would have told them what my currently salary was they would have offered me the job at the bottom of that scale.  I am worth the extra and they will get their pound of flesh out of me willingly.

Allezallez89

Just an update guys, Undervalued will be upset to learn that not a word has been mentioned.  HR have been through all of my paperwork as well as my boss and not a dicky bird so I guess I was worrying for nothing.  I am loving my new job and even in the short time frame I have been there my new colleagues have commented that I am already 'adding value' so all's well that ends well.  Have a great weekend everyone, and UV hope this doesn't ruin yours x.