Why are house prices in London so more expensive than the north

ZeroSum

dinsdale_ said:

ZeroSum said:

fred246 said:

A child spends more than 90% of their time outside school. I don't actually think that schools make that much difference. A good school will get good results because they are selective, or parents have moved into their catchment area etc. Will a footballer's child go to a private school in London and then on to Oxbridge? There are fantastic schools in the North. I can't imagine moving to London for the schools. Out of interest I was just comparing a nurse in Hull and a nurse in London. The Hull nurse can afford a nice appartment. The London nurse can only afford a parking space. It will be the same for teachers. Public sector workers get a much better life up North.

The nurse in Hull will be able to afford a decent family home never mind apartment. 

The schools argument is the same reason faith schools do better. It's not cos the teachers are better, it's cos a higher % of kids have pushy middle class parents who lie about their religion to get the kid into the school. So you end up with less riff raff being disruptive 

But then why do schools in London consistently do so well in social mobility measures?

I find it odd that people only consider top schools with pushy middle class parents. What about everyone else? Have you visited many schools in London, and were they a representative cross section of the city?

Obviously wealthy parents push their kids into good schools and get tutors etc. and will bump up the schools in the league tables, but that is not the whole picture.

Findings from the Social Mobility Commission:

London accounts for nearly two-thirds of all social mobility hotspots

Schools - 51% of London children on free school meals achieve A* to C in English and maths GCSE compared to an average of 36% of children on free school meals in all other English regions: in the best place (Westminster), 63% get good English and maths GCSEs whereas in the worst (Isle of Wight), only 27% do.

I think network effects and economies of scale create opportunities in larger cities, with London being one of the most prominent global cities. I think there are loads of problems in London, but for social mobility London scores highly in the UK.

I'm referring to why faith schools do better than the local comp. Nothing about London

However there has been a general direction of social cleansing in London with the housing situation. It has a similar effect. 

dinsdale_

ZeroSum said:

I'm referring to why faith schools do better than the local comp. Nothing about London

However there has been a general direction of social cleansing in London with the housing situation. It has a similar effect. 

Do faith schools perform that much better? School type and attainment data are public, so not too hard to look at empirically.
Looking at a recent study by the Education Policy Institute (first hit on a Google search  ) it looks like the difference is pretty small. 

• The difference in attainment between faith and non-faith schools at Key Stage 2 is largely eliminated after controlling for prior attainment and pupil characteristics – and is so small as to be educationally insignificant.

• At Key Stage 4, also adjusting for pupil characteristics, pupils in faith schools achieved the equivalent of around one-seventh of a grade higher in each of 8 GCSE subjects. This is a relatively small attainment gain.

Anecdotally, my kids go to a faith school as it was the only one with places (we didn't even have it in our shortlist). It is a good school but is slightly behind the other nearby schools. This is mainly because it is a wealthy area, so the other schools go by catchment, whereas the faith school takes in children from less wealthy areas nearby (far out of catchment for the other schools).