My hobby is selling cars, sold car and buyer wants more than a refund

tadley6677

George_Michael said:

DoaM said:

Lots of people castigating the OP ... as everyone is classing him as a business then all he has to do is put the buyer back in the position as if the contract had never been formed; ergo a full refund. The buyer paying out on repairs to the vehicle was the buyer's choice - they should have contacted the seller first. (That's what we'd say if it was a buyer who posted here).

All the seller has to do under the CRA is to put the buyer back in the same position (ie, a full refund) but the CRA (19.9) also states that a consumer can take further action to recover any losses above the price paid.
It was only after the time that the extra money had been spent on the  repairs that the buyer found out that the vehicle had been misdescribed (found out during a service) so how could they previously have contacted the seller about something of which they were unaware of?

be interesting to hear thoughts on this, thank you all for your comments on this. i think from now on i will sell all cars as spares and repair to cover myself - if give it up completely..

unforeseen

tadley6677 said:

George_Michael said:

DoaM said:

Lots of people castigating the OP ... as everyone is classing him as a business then all he has to do is put the buyer back in the position as if the contract had never been formed; ergo a full refund. The buyer paying out on repairs to the vehicle was the buyer's choice - they should have contacted the seller first. (That's what we'd say if it was a buyer who posted here).

All the seller has to do under the CRA is to put the buyer back in the same position (ie, a full refund) but the CRA (19.9) also states that a consumer can take further action to recover any losses above the price paid.
It was only after the time that the extra money had been spent on the  repairs that the buyer found out that the vehicle had been misdescribed (found out during a service) so how could they previously have contacted the seller about something of which they were unaware of?

be interesting to hear thoughts on this, thank you all for your comments on this. i think from now on i will sell all cars as spares and repair to cover myself - if give it up completely..

That appears to be a good business model. Buy a car sold as working and sell as scrap (effectively). Unless you intend to break them and sell the parts there is no profit whatsoever. 

The_Rainmaker

OP can you stand a visit from Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs?  I suspect not if you messed me around as the buyer that would be my first phone call.  Pay the guy what he is asking for (backed by receipts if you must).

sheramber

As he has done  repairs that you agreed needed done you  will be getting back a car in better condition than when you sold it.

tadley6677

sheramber said:

As he has done  repairs that you agreed needed done you  will be getting back a car in better condition than when you sold it.

That is true, but the only invoices he has are for parts (£180) and wants £825 on top of the purchase price to reject the car. I have offered him £2900 (purchase price) + £525 on return of the car, Which i thought was a reasonable offer seeing as there are no invoices / receipts for the work carried out (servicing / valeting etc).

Gavin83

Have you declared your profits to HMRC? Did you pay eBay fees for the sale? I’d obviously be far more concerned about the first than the second but the buyer could put you in a very difficult position and it’ll end up potentially costing you far more than the car. I’d suggest keeping the buyer on side and offering him what he’s asking for.

I also think the suggestion of giving it up is a good one. You clearly don’t want to run this as a business, despite it being so. 

Potbellypig

Gavin83 said:

Have you declared your profits to HMRC? Did you pay eBay fees for the sale? I’d obviously be far more concerned about the first than the second but the buyer could put you in a very difficult position and it’ll end up potentially costing you far more than the car. I’d suggest keeping the buyer on side and offering him what he’s asking for.

I also think the suggestion of giving it up is a good one. You clearly don’t want to run this as a business, despite it being so. 

To be fair, I'm not sure that the first thing the buyer will be thinking is ''has this man I'm buying a car from put in his latest self assessment?''

swingaloo

Why on earth would you take a car off Ebay for a buyer who thought he may be outbid. That does not make sense. Nothing to do with paying the Ebay fees then?

George_Michael

Potbellypig said:

To be fair, I'm not sure that the first thing the buyer will be thinking is ''has this man I'm buying a car from put in his latest self assessment?''

You're probably right but if after they have bought the car, found it to different to how it was advertised then returned it for a refund and found themselves out of pocket through no fault of their own, they may well start thinking about what their next steps might be and one of these steps may involve HMRC.
As the OP has been selling "1 or 2 cars a month", then if the taxman did get involved (unlikely but still possible), the tax involved may turn out to be a fair amount.

mattyprice4004

tadley6677 said:

sheramber said:

As he has done  repairs that you agreed needed done you  will be getting back a car in better condition than when you sold it.

That is true, but the only invoices he has are for parts (£180) and wants £825 on top of the purchase price to reject the car. I have offered him £2900 (purchase price) + £525 on return of the car, Which i thought was a reasonable offer seeing as there are no invoices / receipts for the work carried out (servicing / valeting etc).

If he doesn't have invoices for the work done, how can he prove it's even had the work? 
I'd be telling him to forget the extra unless he can provide invoices proving those parts are fitted to that car from a garage.