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BenR25
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hi
I have been resisting a PCN issued by VCS on an airport road at Robin Hood Doncaster from 2016.
i've been posting / getting advice from Pepipoo fightback forum from day 1
i'm at the stage where I need to submit my defence in the next few days and its been suggested that I post a link to my fightback forum thread for some of you guys to have a look at.
my defence is based on a recent Robin hood VCS thread from over here on MSE (with a few tweaks), unfortunately MSE is not letting me post links so my thread over on fightback forums is "Robin Hood VCS parking pcn" username Jenny12
any additional advice would be appreciated
Thanks
I have been resisting a PCN issued by VCS on an airport road at Robin Hood Doncaster from 2016.
i've been posting / getting advice from Pepipoo fightback forum from day 1
i'm at the stage where I need to submit my defence in the next few days and its been suggested that I post a link to my fightback forum thread for some of you guys to have a look at.
my defence is based on a recent Robin hood VCS thread from over here on MSE (with a few tweaks), unfortunately MSE is not letting me post links so my thread over on fightback forums is "Robin Hood VCS parking pcn" username Jenny12
any additional advice would be appreciated
Thanks
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too many S letters in that post
its DEFENCE (no S)
ADVICE (no S)
lol
here is a link to your thread
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=105955&st=40&start=40
link to your defence
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=105955&view=findpost&p=1545622
I hope it is up to date ? , if not , do so asap
bear in mind that this MSE forum will be offline later this week, for the upgrade0 -
Sorry for the spelling,
Thanks for posting the links.. it’s all up to date0 -
We'll have to pick this up later.
What's the issue date of the claim?
What exact date did you do the AOS?PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP, it can cause the scammer extra costs and work, and has been known to get the charge cancelled.
Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.
Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.[/FONT][/FONT]You never know how far you can go until you go too far.1 -
Hi
the issue date of the claim is 13th Jan
AOS date is 23rd Jan
as far as I understand I have until the 14th feb to submit my defence . Would like to get it done by 11th due to other commitments.0 -
OK please reply with your defence draft in a reply, in full (not a link).PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim Number: xxx
BETWEEN:
Vehicle Control Services Ltd
(Claimant)
vs
(Defendant)
Defence
1. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.
2. The Particulars of Claim state that the Defendant; was the registered keeper and/or the driver of the vehicle at the material time. These assertions indicate that the Claimant has failed to identify a Cause of Action, and is simply offering a menu of choices. As such, the Claim fails to comply with Civil Procedure Rule 16.4, or with Civil Practice Direction 16, paras. 7.3 to 7.5.
3. Doncaster Sheffield Airport byelaws are applicable :_ VCS operates under Doncaster Sheffield Airport byelaws therefore the land is not "relevant land" as defined under schedule 4, para 3 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 . The registered keeper cannot be held liable.only the driver of the vehicle can be held liable
4. It is admitted that the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question at the material time. However, the Defendant has no liability by virtue of being the registered keeper of the vehicle, and the Claimant has failed to comply with the strict provisions of Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 to hold anyone other than the driver liable for the charges.
5. The driver has not been identified on any occasion and there is no presumption in law that the registered keeper was the driver. The keeper is not obliged to name the driver to a private parking firm which was confirmed in the POPLA Annual Report 2015 by the POPLA Lead Adjudicator and barrister, Henry Greenslade, when explaining the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 principles of 'keeper liability' as set out in Schedule 4.
6. It is denied that the Defendant was the driver of the vehicle at the material time.
No agreement/breach of terms and no contract (alternatively, frustration of contract)
7. It is denied that the Defendant, or any driver of the vehicle, entered into any contractual agreement with the Claimant, whether express, implied, or by conduct.
8. Further and in the alternative, it is denied that the claimant's signage sets out the terms in a sufficiently clear manner which would be capable of binding any reasonable person reading them. The following two types of signs are in use; (I) Entrance sign - on which a "No Stopping" symbol is used, (ii) Repeater signs - on which the "No Waiting" symbol is used. The Department for Transport "Know Your Traffic Signs" publication states that "drivers may stop to pick up or set down passengers" where waiting restrictions are in force, yet the Claimant avers that the Defendant is in breach of the advertised terms and conditions; namely stopping in a zone where stopping is prohibited - this is not the case, due to the fact that the repeater signs display "No Waiting" symbols.
9. The terms on the Claimant's signage are also displayed in a font which is too small to be read from a passing vehicle, is in such a position that anyone attempting to read the tiny font would be unable to do so easily. It is, therefore, denied that the Claimant's signage is capable of creating a legally binding contract. There has been no "grace period" applied to allow the Defendant to read the Claimant's signage. For these reasons, the case of VCS v Ward, on appeal in the County Court before His Honour Judge Saffman, should not have a bearing in this instance. This is because with respect to VCS v Ward, HHJ Saffman accepted that the signage (being the entrance and 66 repeater signs) represented an offer of a contractual licence, which was accepted when the user drove onto the private land. In this instance, the text is too small to alert the user to the fact that they are entering private land, and is therefore, not capable of creating a legally binding contract.
9.1. In this instance, the text is too small to alert drivers to any terms , and is therefore, not capable of creating a legally binding contract. Further, unlike the business park location in VCS v Ward, an Airport is not private land, it is under statutory control (Airport Byelaws and/or TMA 2004 applies, given that Airport Way is a road to which the public have access). Whilst any breach of byelaw or Traffic Order is denied, the Defendant avers that if it is the Claimant's case that the vehicle was stopped in violation of (criminal) byelaws on the one hand, then they may not dress up a 'charge' on the other hand as if it was a contractual 'agreement' to pay £100 to be granted a 'parking licence' do that which is a criminal offence. That is absurd. It is the Defendant’s belief that any claim on land under statutory control of Byelaws must only be laid before Magistrates within the 6 month limitation by the landowner. Certainly on 'non-relevant' land such as this, there is no applicable law that can allow a private firm to hold a registered keeper liable because the POFA 2012 does not apply at such a location.
10. It is an ironic fact that the Claimant’s entrance signs provide helpline phone number, which cannot be used by drivers without breaking alleged contractual agreement with the Claimant or the law. Furthermore the terms on the Claimant's signage do not provide enough information to what is expected from the driver in emergency situation such as a vehicle malfunction. The signs are misleading and missing information, therefore is not capable of creating a legally binding contract. Even if the Claimant shows the court that the terms on any signs were legible, any contract was frustrated. This is a fact that the claimant would have known about, had their watching CCTV camera operator driver mitigated any loss, rather than taking photographs with the intent of penalizing a driver could well have stopped due to an emergency and who may have been in need of urgent assistance.
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11. The Defendant would expect the Claimant's own CCTV van operator to attend the hearing in person and provide a witness statement to explain why instant penalties continue to be issued regardless of the van operator seeing for themselves any mitigating circumstances, and to explain whether that is due to VCS blanket policy to 'fine at all costs' or whether a personal decision was made to ignore the possible plight of the Defendant and take pecuniary advantage.
12. If it is the Claimant's case that the area is intended as a 'no stopping zone' then they cannot also offer parking at a price, if the landowner (Airport) in fact intends to prohibit stopping. If cars are never authorised to stop under any circumstances, then any breach would be a matter that falls firmly under the tort of trespass.
13. In the Beavis case it was reiterated that only a landowner can sue for damages/loss for alleged trespass, and ParkingEye could not have recovered monies for unauthorised parking/trespass. It was only because they were able to offer something of value (a parking space) and that the charge was part of that contractual licence, that ParkingEye could charge more than any nominal loss that a landowner could have recovered under tort.
14. If it is the Claimant's case that they were offering a parking licence or a space that had value, then they have produced no evidence to this effect and will be in difficulty if (as suspected) the signage in fact attempts to create a 'no stopping zone'. This would void any credible legal argument relying upon a 'legitimate interest' supporting the intentions of the landowner, because in a 'no-stopping zone' the landowner intends 'no stopping at all' on the one hand, and any driver conduct in breach of that rule could not on the other hand be allowed by a private company offering the prohibited behaviour under a pseudo contract.
15. It is believed that the contract this Claimant has with the Airport limits the parking firm to act as agent of the Airport who remain the (known) principal, in which case only the Airport can sue, not the agent in their own name.
16. Based on the “PCM vs Bull” case, where defendants were issued parking tickets for parking on private roads with signage stating “no parking at any time”, the claimant has no standing to litigate this matter. District Judge Glen in his final statement mentioned that “the notice was prohibitive, and didn’t communicate any offer of parking and that landowners may have claim in trespass, but that was not under consideration”.
17. The Claimant is put to strict proof that it has sufficient proprietary interest in the land, or that it has the necessary authorisation from the landowner to issue parking charge notices, and to pursue payment by means of litigation.
18. Doncaster Sheffield Airport byelaws are applicable: VCS operates under Doncaster Sheffield Airport byelaws. It is entirely possible an emergency caused the driver to stop the vehicle, or the driver had a reasonable excuse, fitting the criteria specified in DSA byelaws.
Below are the relevant byelaws:
5. PROHIBITED ACTS ON PARTS OF THE AIRPORT TO WHICH THE ROAD
TRAFFIC ENACTMENTS DO NOT APPLY
The following acts are prohibited on any part of the Airport to which the Road
Traffic Enactments do not apply:
“5 (3) Obstruction:
except in an emergency, leave or park a Vehicle or cause it to wait for a period in excess of the permitted time in an area where the period of waiting is restricted by Notice”
and
“5(12) Parking of Vehicles
without reasonable excuse! Park a Vehicle elsewhere than in a place provided for that purpose.
19. This Claimant may try to persuade the court using the perverse decision in “VCS v Ward”, which can be fully distinguished and is far from persuasive when scrutinised. In that case, at appeal, the Defendant did not appear and the case reportedly ran completely against the interests of the victim consumer, such that the Judge even lamented the dreadful position he had been steered towards by this Claimant's legal representation, who, it seems, effectively ambushed the court with a case not first raised at the original hearing. In any event, the “VCS v Ward” case involved a business park and has no application to an Airport case, where the byelaws lay the facts and rules out (very helpfully for the court, and fully in accordance with the Consumer Rights Act 2015) that an emergency - such as car displaying fault on dashboard - is a 'reasonable excuse' clearly anticipated by the Airport owners to be exempt conduct, and not a contravention at all. This Claimant has misapplied the byelaws rules and twisted them for their own profit.
Airport approach roads are subject to road traffic enactments (public highway)
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20. Even if the Claimant is able to overcome the difficulties they face in showing that:
(a) they have locus to sue in their own name regarding this location, and that
(b) they offered a parking space with value, and a licence to park there, and that
© the Defendant was afforded the opportunity to accept contractual terms and that
(d) these terms were prominently displayed and well lit, and that
(e) this charge (described by the Airport as a 'fine') is somehow saved from the penalty rule, and
(f) the driver was in breach, despite the stopping of the car being related to an emergency situation out of the driver's control,
the Claimant is also put to strict proof that:
(g) this access road is not part of the public highway. A 'public highway' is any road maintained by public expense where the public would normally have a right to drive a mechanically propelled vehicle. It is averred that the Airport approach road is public highway and the Claimant is put to strict proof to the contrary.
21. The road comes off a roundabout and is not clearly demarcated as private land, nor is it a private car park and thus, any parking/traffic contraventions would be a matter for the local authority. Such roads are subject to the rules of the Road Traffic Act and statutory instrument and any 'PCN' must be a proper penalty charge notice issued under the Traffic Management Act 2004.
22. The claimant is put to strict proof that this approach road is a part of 'the Airport' site where road traffic enactments do not apply.
Alternative defence - excessive and disproportionate blanket use of CCTV 24/7 regardless of circumstances (contrary to the CCTV rules issued by the ICO)
23. This Claimant uses CCTV camera systems (365 days a year, 24 hours a day, seven days a week) and processes personal data excessively and disproportionately, and thus fails to comply with the Information Commissioner's 'Data Protection Code of Practice for Surveillance Cameras and Personal Information' ('the ICO Code').!
24. The ICO Code applies to all CCTV systems, and states that the private sector is required to follow it, in order to meet its legal obligations as a data processor. Members of the International Parking Community ('IPC') trade body are required to comply fully with the Data Protection Act ('DPA') and all ICO rules and guidelines, as a pre-requisite of being able to use the DVLA KADOE system to harvest VRN data, including the addresses of registers keepers.
25. Whilst CCTV has its uses to keep Airport approach roads clear - to stop drivers from choosing to park and leaving their vehicles or using the roads as a drop-off point, for example - this must be with reasonable and proportionate application, with sufficient checks and balances being an ICO Code requirement when operating such a data-intrusive regime.
26. The Claimant's failures to comply include, but are not limited to the following, and the Claimant is put to strict proof otherwise on all counts:
i) Lack of an initial Surveillance Camera privacy impact assessment, and
ii) Lack of an evaluation of proportionality and necessity, considering concepts that would impact upon fairness under the first data protection principle, and
iii) Failure to regularly evaluate whether it is necessary and proportionate use CCTV to issue penalties in all cases, applying no human intervention or common sense approach (e.g. having no checks and balances to exclude from the 'immediate penalty' approach, cases where the CCTV operator would have seen and that driver was trying to safely start a broken down vehicle as in this case), and
iv) Failure to prominently inform a driver in large lettering on clear signage, of the 'commercial intent' and purpose of the CCTV system and how the data captured would be used, and
v) Lack of the 'Privacy Notice' required to deliver mandatory information about an individual's right of subject access. At no point has the Defendant been advised how to apply for, and what a data subject's rights are, to obtain all images and data held via a Subject Access Request from the Claimant and indeed the Defendant has been furnished with no images, information about the terms or the alleged breach, or any data at all.
27. This Claimant has therefore failed to meet its legal obligations and has breached principle 1 (at least) of the DPA, as well as the IPC and the ICO Codes of Practice.!
28. The Defendant avers that a breach of the DPA and failure to comply with ICO rules regarding data captured by CCTV, also transgresses the tests of fairness and transparency of consumer contracts, as set out in the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (enacted after the final hearing in Beavis and not considered in that case).
29. In any case involving a consumer contract, Courts must evaluate and apply a test of fairness, whether the Defendant raises the issue or not, and transparency of terms must also be considered carefully in every case.
30. It is averred that this Claimant at this location, fails on both counts and therefore the charge is unjustified and just the sort of 'unconscionable' parking charge that the Supreme Court had in mind when retaining the 'penalty rule' for use in cases such as this, where the facts are less complex than in Beavis.
31. Further, the IPC Code of Practice specifically prohibits 'predatory tactics', therefore this Claimant is operating in breach of the effectively 'regulatory framework' of their trade body code that the Supreme Court in Beavis found was a pre-requisite of a transparent and lawful operation.
The purported added 'costs' are disproportionate, a disingenuous double recovery attempt, vague and in breach of both the CPRs, and the Consumer Rights Act 2015 Schedule 2 'terms that may be unfair'.
32. Alleging that the letters the parking firm may have sent have caused an additional loss, is simply untrue. The standard wording for parking charge/debt recovery contracts is/was on the Debt Recovery Plus website - ''no recovery/no fee'', thus establishing an argument that the Claimant is breaching the indemnity principle - claiming reimbursement for a cost which has never, in fact, been incurred. This is true, whether or not they used a third-party debt collector during the process.
33. The Defendant has the reasonable belief that the Claimant has not incurred an additional £60 in damages or costs to pursue an alleged £100 debt. The arbitrary addition of a fixed sum purporting to cover 'damages/costs' is also potentially open to challenge as an unfair commercial practice under the CPRs, where 44.3 (2) states: ''Where the amount of costs is to be assessed on the standard basis, the court will –
(a) only allow costs which are proportionate to the matters in issue. Costs which are disproportionate in amount may be disallowed or reduced even if they were reasonably or necessarily incurred; and
(b) resolve any doubt which it may have as to whether costs were reasonably and proportionately incurred or were reasonable and proportionate in amount in favour of the paying party.
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34. Whilst quantified costs can be considered on a standard basis, this Claimant's purported added £60 'damages/costs' are wholly disproportionate, are not genuine losses at all and do not stand up to scrutiny. This has finally been recognised in many court areas. Differently from almost any other trader/consumer agreement, when it comes to parking charges on private land, binding case law and two statute laws have the effect that the parking firm's own business/operational costs cannot be added to the 'parking charge' as if they are additional losses.
The Beavis case is against this Claim
35. Parking Eye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 ('the Beavis case') is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since that sum (£85 in the Beavis case) was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model including recovery letters. There are no losses or damages caused by this business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged 'parking charge' penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending upon the parking firm) covers the costs of the letters.
36. This charge is unconscionable and devoid of any 'legitimate interest', given the facts. To quote from the decision in the Beavis case at Para [108]: ''But although the terms, like all standard contracts, were presented to motorists on a take it or leave it basis, they could not have been briefer, simpler or more prominently proclaimed. If you park here and stay more than two hours, you will pay £85''. Ad at [199]: ''What matters is that a charge of the order of £85 [...] is an understandable ingredient of a scheme serving legitimate interests.''
37. In the Beavis case it was said at para [205]: ''The requirement of good faith in this context is one of fair and open dealing. Openness requires that the terms should be expressed fully, clearly and legibly, containing no concealed pitfalls or traps. Appropriate prominence should be given to terms which might operate disadvantageously to the customer.''
38. At para 98. {re ...The desirability of running that parking scheme at no cost, or ideally some profit, to themselves} ''Against this background, it can be seen that the £85 charge had two main objects. One was to manage the efficient use of parking space in the interests of the retail outlets, and of the users of those outlets who wish to find spaces in which to park their cars [...] The other purpose was to provide an income stream to enable ParkingEye to meet the costs of operating the scheme and make a profit from its services...''
39. At para 193. ''Judging by ParkingEye's accounts, and unless the Chelmsford car park was out of the ordinary, the scheme also covered ParkingEye's costs of operation and gave their shareholders a healthy annual profit.'' and at para 198: ''The charge has to be and is set at a level which enables the managers to recover the costs of operating the scheme. It is here also set at a level enabling ParkingEye to make a profit.''
The POFA 2012 and the ATA Code of Practice are against this Claim
40. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 ('the POFA') at paras 4(5) and 4(6) makes it clear that the will of Parliament regarding parking on private land is that the only sum potentially able to be recovered is the sum in any compliant 'Notice to Keeper' (further, the ceiling for a 'parking charge', as set by the Trade Bodies and the DVLA, is £100). This also depends upon the Claimant fully complying with the statute, including 'adequate notice' of the parking charge and prescribed documents served in time/with mandatory wording. It is submitted the claimant has failed on all counts and the Claimant is well aware their artificially inflated claim, as pleaded, constitutes double recovery.
The Consumer Rights Act 2015 ('the CRA') is against this claim
41. Further, the purported added 'costs' are disproportionate, vague and in breach of the CRA 2015 Schedule 2 'terms that may be unfair'. This Claimant has arbitrarily added an extra 60% of the parking charge in a disingenuous double recovery attempt that has already been exposed and routinely disallowed by many Courts in England and Wales. It is atrocious that this has been allowed to continue unabated for so many years, considering the number of victims receiving this Claimant's exaggerated Letter before Claim, or the claim form, who then either pay an inflated amount or suffer a default judgment for a sum that could not otherwise be recovered. It is only those who defend, who draw individual cases to the attention of the courts one by one, but at last in 2019, some areas noticed the pattern and have moved to stop this abuse of process at source.
42. In the Caernarfon Court in Case number F2QZ4W28 (Vehicle Control Services Ltd v Davies) on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated: ''Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones-Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates [...] in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court in Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared [...] the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.''
43. That decision in Wales was contested in a N244 application by VCS, but the added £60 was still disallowed on 30 Oct 2019. District Judge Jones-Evans stated that even in cases parking firms win, he never allows the £60 add on, and despite parking firms continuing to include it in their Particulars, most advocates have now stopped pushing for it at hearings. The Judge said that a contract formed by signage is a deemed contract, which the motorist does not have the opportunity to negotiate. That, and the fact that there is no specified sum on the signage, means that the extra £60 cannot possibly be recoverable. He said that the £60 was clearly a penalty, and an abuse of process. The considered sum in that case was reduced to £100 with a full case hearing to follow, but the £60 would not be awarded under any circumstances, and further, he ordered that the Claimant must now produce a statement of how they pleaded claims prior to Beavis, and subsequently.
44. In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T - BRITANNIA PARKING -v- Mr C and another - less than two weeks later - the courts went further in a landmark judgment in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes QC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire.
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