What are light touch requirements?

RealElement47

This couple should take that link to the job centre nd ask them why re they going against it.

Why are they putting sanctions on her if she isn't showing she is trying to increase her incomes?

RealElement47

"In a couple household, if one of the adults has earnings above the household CET, both claimants are placed in the Working Enough regime, regardless of whether they are both working or not."

And as far as I understand it the CET for a couple with kids in London is about £570 per month? Is that correct?

The lock job centre is definitely not going by this number.

Is that number definitely correct?

calcotti

See also http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2019-0980/71._Labour_Market_regimes_v11.0.pdf

Spoonie_Turtle

RealElement47 wrote: »

"In a couple household, if one of the adults has earnings above the household CET, both claimants are placed in the Working Enough regime, regardless of whether they are both working or not."

And as far as I understand it the CET for a couple with kids in London is about £570 per month? Is that correct?

The lock job centre is definitely not going by this number.

Is that number definitely correct?

No, you are confusing it with something else (benefits cap threshold?)

http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2018-0759/CC_-_Earnings_Thresholds_v1.0.pdf

The CET is calculated on an individual basis, by multiplying the National Minimum Wage (NMW) by the hours a claimant’s Expected hours

In further detail from https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/366996/response/904624/attach/9/6%20Expected%20hours%20of%20work%20overview.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

The individual CET is calculated for a claimant by multiplying the hours they may be expected to be engaged in work-related activity (expected hours) by the National Minimum Wage rate that applies to them. This figure is then multiplied by 52 and divided by 12 to give a monthly figure and rounded down to the nearest whole pound to give the claimant their individual CET.

The household CET is both claimants' CETs combined.

Let's say family, 2 parents, kids, no disabilities or other caring requirements. One parent can be main carer (of kids), expected hours depend on age of youngest kid, so from 0hrs to 35hrs. Other parent's expected hours will be 35 p/w.

Other parent's CET will be monthly average of £8.21 x 35 x 52 / 12 = £1245 (rounded down to nearest £1).

The household CET is the combination of both adults' CETs, so in this scenario £1245 at least or £2490 at most.

Main carer's CET will depend on the age of youngest child and therefore their expected hours, at least £0 or at most £1245.

The AET is different and my brain has melted. But anyway, there's your CET info.

AG47

Spoonie_Turtle wrote: »

No, you are confusing it with something else (benefits cap threshold?)

http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2018-0759/CC_-_Earnings_Thresholds_v1.0.pdf



In further detail from https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/366996/response/904624/attach/9/6%20Expected%20hours%20of%20work%20overview.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1




The household CET is both claimants' CETs combined.

Let's say family, 2 parents, kids, no disabilities or other caring requirements. One parent can be main carer (of kids), expected hours depend on age of youngest kid, so from 0hrs to 35hrs. Other parent's expected hours will be 35 p/w.

Other parent's CET will be monthly average of £8.21 x 35 x 52 / 12 = £1245 (rounded down to nearest £1).

The household CET is the combination of both adults' CETs, so in this scenario £1245 at least or £2490 at most.

Main carer's CET will depend on the age of youngest child and therefore their expected hours, at least £0 or at most £1245.

The AET is different and my brain has melted. But anyway, there's your CET info.

Thank you so much this is the first post that makes any sense


Other posters got mixed up I think,

But lots of the links seem to be very confusing

For example this link seems to show the limit is £541 to have no work search requirements

https://www.uceplus.co.uk/light-touch-regime.html
If someone is in the “all work group” and earns their AET (Administrative Earnings Threshold) then they will have no mandatory work related requirements – including work search.

But this JC does indeed put work search requirements on her?

The AET for a single person is £338 per assessment period*
The AET for a joint claim is £541 per assessment period*
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Spoonie_Turtle

RealElement47 wrote: »

Please forgive me but I still don't understand it in a clear and consise way.

I wish there were clear easy to understand numbers put in a simple way.

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I know a couple who have only one of them working nd earning bout £600 month, and the other one is put under pressure to get work and in rede their earnings, she has to keep going to appointments at the job center otherwise they will hve sanctions.

But this link seems to show the job centre is wrong with the numbers.....

https://www.uceplus.co.uk/light-touch-regime.html
If someone is in the “all work group” and earns their AET (Administrative Earnings Threshold) then they will have no mandatory work related requirements – including work search.

But this JC does indeed put work search requirements on her?

The AET for a single person is £338 per assessment period*
The AET for a joint claim is £541 per assessment period*
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*please note that unearned income and self-employed earnings cannot be used towards the AET. It is strictly only earnings paid by an employer

This means that if you have earnings on your claim that meet the AET your commitments should not have any work related requirements on it. To recognise if you are already in light touch regime visit your UC homepage and click my commitments. If you are being recognised as in Light Touch Regime, your commitments will reflect the example below.

How long has he been earning ~£600?

From https://www.disabledviewuk.com/universal-credit-earnings-and-job-searching-requirements/#.XjdAfGj7TIU

There is something else called your Administrative Earnings Threshold AET (See below for more detail) and it’s a static amount for everyone that equals £338 per month for individuals or £541 per month for a couple averaged over a 12 month period. If you were earning less than £338 per month at the beginning of the 12 month period but are now earning more than £338 per month due to increased hours, increased hourly rate etc it will be worth checking whether your average over the 12 month period is equal to or above £338 per month (or £541 per month for a couple) as if your average meets this figure, you will be eligible to request entry to the AET “Light Touch Regime.”

Individuals who are earning more than £338 per month (or £541 per month for a couple) should also check whether their average earnings over a 12 month period are sufficient to make them eligible for entry to the AET “Light Touch Regime”

calcotti

RealElement47 wrote: »

"In a couple household, if one of the adults has earnings above the household CET, both claimants are placed in the Working Enough regime, regardless of whether they are both working or not."

And as far as I understand it the CET for a couple with kids in London is about £570 per month? Is that correct?

The lock job centre is definitely not going by this number.

Is that number definitely correct?

You are mixing up the AET and the CET. Please read all the information posted carefully.

Above the CET, which is variable depending on circumstances, claimants are in the Working Enough regime.

Below the CET but above the AET, which is £541 for a couple, claimants are in the Light Touch regime.

I have already explained this in post #17 of this thread https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6097970/mif-grace-period-between-jobs#topofpage

The link I posted earlier sets it out clearly
http://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2019-0980/71._Labour_Market_regimes_v11.0.pdf#page7

AET
Claimants will be allocated to the light touch regime if their individual or household earnings are above these amounts, but below the CET,

AG47

calcotti wrote: »

You are mixing up the AET and the CET. Please read all the information posted carefully.

Above the CET, which is variable depending on circumstances, claimants are in the Working Enough regime.

Below the CET but above the AET, which is £541 for a couple, claimants are in the Light Touch regime.

I have already explained this in post #17 of this thread https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6097970/mif-grace-period-between-jobs#topofpage

Can you clearly state what is the CET for a normal family in London?

calcotti

Post #10

calcotti wrote: »

.The CET is calculated on an individual basis, by multiplying the National Minimum Wage by the number of a claimant’s expected hours.

Quoted by spoonie in post #15

Spoonie_Turtle wrote: »

.The individual CET is calculated for a claimant by multiplying the hours they may be expected to be engaged in work-related activity (expected hours) by the National Minimum Wage rate that applies to them.

Post #18

calcotti wrote: »

.Above the CET, which is variable depending on circumstances, claimants are in the Working Enough regime.

AG47 wrote: »

Can you clearly state what is the CET for a normal family in London?

It has now been explained numerous times that the CET is not a fixed amount, it depends on claimant circumstances and what is expected of them.

Spoonie_Turtle

AG47 wrote: »

Can you clearly state what is the CET for a normal family in London?

Was there a part of 'variable depending on circumstances' in calcotti's post that didn't make sense?

Anyway, I'm going to refer you to a hypothetical worked example in my post here https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=76796514&postcount=15 because I can assure you, I didn't do that just for fun. In the past I would have but I don't have energy or brainpower to waste now

Edit: also, the only thing for which location matters is the benefits cap. Which is completely different from the Administrative Earnings Threshold (relevant for 'Light Touch' regime) and the Conditionality Earnings Threshold (for being completely exempt from any Jobcentre / work-related requirements).