Lenovo 11.6” questions

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What is the maximum RAM can be installed in this computer?

https://www.johnlewis.com/lenovo-ideapad-s130-11igm-laptop-intel-celeron-n4000-processor-4gb-ram-64gb-emmc-11-6-hd-grey-light/p4263313

I will also buy a wireless mouse.

Can move W10 S to normal W10?

How can connect this computer to internet via wireless?

I know this is not excellent, but the reviews are very good and it’s for my teenager child.

Thanks
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  • Robisere
    Robisere Posts: 3,237 Forumite
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    Cheaper from Amazon:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07ZDQFP2J/ref=twister_B081QJPRT2?th=1


    I would think 4GB RAM is fine for the device, but it is not possible to upgrade it anyway.There are 3 different models of the laptop on that Amazon page and the other 2 have much better processors (CPU). but are much more expensive at £288 and £286. I think that you would be better off getting him something better for the money. Check out these refurbished genuine laptops, but remember to add 20% VAT to prices shown:


    https://www.gigarefurb.co.uk/refurbished-laptops?price=100-200


    Don't buy the Apple and look instead at the HP and Lenovo models. There is nothing wrong with buying refurbished: you will have a proper laptop instead of the Lenovo semi-tablet device. You will also get a full Windows 10 O/S.
    I think this job really needs
    a much bigger hammer.
  • EveryWhere
    EveryWhere Posts: 3,249 Forumite
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    tazwhoever wrote: »
    What is the maximum RAM can be installed in this computer?

    https://www.johnlewis.com/lenovo-ideapad-s130-11igm-laptop-intel-celeron-n4000-processor-4gb-ram-64gb-emmc-11-6-hd-grey-light/p4263313

    I will also buy a wireless mouse.

    Can move W10 S to normal W10?

    How can connect this computer to internet via wireless?

    I know this is not excellent, but the reviews are very good and it’s for my teenager child.

    Thanks

    Out of stock online

    Have you discussed it with consult your "teenager child"?

    Better you get something with which he can grow.
  • that
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    That cpu is dire. EMMC is both slow and soldered into the board, can not be increased in size and is not the same as an ssd disk on most PCs

    On the plus side this thing will probably be light, and have good battery life.. The casual gaming will probably be solitaire

    One person on this forum bought from ITzoo, they were not computer literate, but the item also did not boot into windows as it should have, however ITzoo were cheap, have been around a few years, and otherwise I have never heard any other complaints, and think the person got their money back, and they decided to buy software for their existing Mac instead.

    If i go to ITZoo and select their cheapest computer (£94.99 - no £90 ones left) https://itzoo.co.uk/collections/cheap-laptops-tablets/products/cheap-dell-latitude-e6420-laptop-intel-i5-2-5ghz-250gb-hdd-win-10 and compare the cpu specs you will find that that old dell has nearly three times the cpu power of the newer machine, probably a better inbuilt camera, bigger screen, but its battery life will be less and will be heavier. I have heard that the N-series of cpu stands for "No, don't buy" - OK, i made this up, but they are poor performers :D

    https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-2520M-vs-Intel-Celeron-N4000/809vs3239

    Add on a $25 240GB ssd and you now have an old computer which is nearly three times faster, 4 times the storage for nearly half the price. These old ex-business machine are built very well and generally are very robust and reliable. You still probably will be able to pick up even a cheaper working secondhand one of these from private ebay seller for around £60, or a Lenovo of which some have 12" screens?
  • EveryWhere
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    that wrote: »
    That cpu is dire. EMMC is both slow and soldered into the board, can not be increased in size and is not the same as an ssd disk on most PCs

    On the plus side this thing will probably be light, and have good battery life.. The casual gaming will probably be solitaire

    One person on this forum bought from ITzoo, they were not computer literate, but the item also did not boot into windows as it should have, however ITzoo were cheap, have been around a few years, and otherwise I have never heard any other complaints, and think the person got their money back, and they decided to buy software for their existing Mac instead.

    If i go to ITZoo and select their cheapest computer (£94.99 - no £90 ones left) https://itzoo.co.uk/collections/cheap-laptops-tablets/products/cheap-dell-latitude-e6420-laptop-intel-i5-2-5ghz-250gb-hdd-win-10 and compare the cpu specs you will find that that old dell has nearly three times the cpu power of the newer machine, probably a better inbuilt camera, bigger screen, but its battery life will be less and will be heavier. I have heard that the N-series of cpu stands for "No, don't buy" - OK, i made this up, but they are poor performers :D

    https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-2520M-vs-Intel-Celeron-N4000/809vs3239

    Add on a $25 240GB ssd and you now have an old computer which is nearly three times faster, 4 times the storage for nearly half the price. These old ex-business machine are built very well and generally are very robust and reliable. You still probably will be able to pick up even a cheaper working secondhand one of these from private ebay seller for around £60, or a Lenovo of which some have 12" screens?

    You have given fair warning.

    Celeron N4000 in 2020? It's akin to a middling CPU of more than ten years ago.
    In conjunction with an SD card for storage? No!

    The good news is that you can open it up and stick NVMe SSD within. But why buy such a relatively poor device in the first place?
    Look for a proper upgradeable laptop in good condition.
  • tazwhoever
    tazwhoever Posts: 1,326 Forumite
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    edited 26 January 2020 at 12:51PM
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    EveryWhere - in stock in shop, plus you can buy it from Argos. Thanks.

    Robisere - Cheaper from Amazon:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07ZDQFP2J/ref=twister_B081QJPRT2?th=1

    Which one is better, range is up to £250. I prefer getting a new one, the child is bit fussy!

    Just for secondary school and the child has access to 365 office via school. All school work is on cloud.

    The reason why I thought about buying Lenovo 11.6”, the weight is very light.

    Thanks
  • EveryWhere
    EveryWhere Posts: 3,249 Forumite
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    tazwhoever wrote: »
    EveryWhere - in stock in shop, plus you can buy it from Argos. Thanks.

    Robisere - Cheaper from Amazon:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07ZDQFP2J/ref=twister_B081QJPRT2?th=1

    Which one is better, range is up to £250. I prefer getting a new one, the child is bit fussy!

    Just for secondary school and the child has access to 365 office via school. All school work is on cloud.

    The reason why I thought about buying Lenovo 11.6”, the weight is very light.

    Thanks

    There is only one 11.6" there.

    Take the hint....ALL posters have told you the same thing, but you still insist.

    Just an example of something that is in another realm; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DELL-Latitude-E7270-Laptop-i5-6300U-2-40GHz-16GB-DDR4-128GB-M-2-SSD/274216493379

    Weight is comparable(1.26 to 1.40, compared to a possible 1.15), but the quality cannot be compared.
  • Neil49
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    This is a very low spec device with significant limitations.

    What will it be used for?

    My wife uses a similar spec laptop running Windows 10 but typically only for logging into her bank account, ordering items from Argos or Debenhams and reading email attachments that are too large to read on her phone. For anything like that it is fine although the screen quality isn't that good.

    Anything more advanced would be hard going and games would be slow at best.

    So, a bit more information on what is required of it would be useful.
  • tazwhoever
    tazwhoever Posts: 1,326 Forumite
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    edited 26 January 2020 at 11:17PM
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    Neil49 - Thanks, the child is doing GCSEs and has access to Office 365 at home through the school. All her work in stored on cloud and uses the internet for school work. Similar to your wife.

    EveryWhere - Just an example of something that is in another realm; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DELL-Latitude-E7270-Laptop-i5-6300U-2-40GHz-16GB-DDR4-128GB-M-2-SSD/274216493379

    I am concerned about buying from Ebay, it's quite risky! I did buy Office 2016 but didn't work (lost few quid). Risky handing over £200 and receiving not the computer or less graded. I do like the computer which you attached. Thanks.
  • EveryWhere
    EveryWhere Posts: 3,249 Forumite
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    tazwhoever wrote: »
    Neil49 - Thanks, the child is doing GCSEs and has access to Office 365 at home through the school. All her work in stored on cloud and uses the internet for school work. Similar to your wife.

    EveryWhere - Just an example of something that is in another realm; https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DELL-Latitude-E7270-Laptop-i5-6300U-2-40GHz-16GB-DDR4-128GB-M-2-SSD/274216493379

    I am concerned about buying from Ebay, it's quite risky! I did buy Office 2016 but didn't work (lost few quid). Risky handing over £200 and receiving not the computer or less graded. I do like the computer which you attached. Thanks.

    Not at all risky. You say it didn't work, but we don't know. I have never purchased a product key via eBay that didn't work.
    Did you claim your money back?

    So you bought one product, a product key and from that you extrapolate that purchasing eBay is risky.
    Buy from vendors that have good feedback. Anything negative shown on the seller?
    What about the vendors, like Argos, who have a presence on eBay? Does being on eBay make it a risky proposition?

    Buying a device barely fit for purpose for £200 seems more of a risk to me.

    Now let's get back to that Office 2016 key. Product key or sign in? Can easily check if it works.
  • Neil49
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    EveryWhere wrote: »
    Not at all risky. You say it didn't work, but we don't know. I have never purchased a product key via eBay that didn't work.
    Did you claim your money back?

    So you bought one product, a product key and from that you extrapolate that purchasing eBay is risky.
    Buy from vendors that have good feedback. Anything negative shown on the seller?
    What about the vendors, like Argos, who have a presence on eBay? Does being on eBay make it a risky proposition?

    Buying a device barely fit for purpose for £200 seems more of a risk to me.

    Now let's get back to that Office 2016 key. Product key or sign in? Can easily check if it works.

    I've purchased 2 refurbished laptops from the Argos eBay site and both have been very good. My Acer Swift 3 came in the original box with all the accessories and documentation and looked absolutely brand new. They come with a one year warranty.

    It's just a case of waiting for a suitable one to be listed at a decent price.
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