EE Scam

Takmon

Zedicus said:

Takmon said:

Moglex said:

Takmon said:

Moglex; So why do you disagree with my posts when you seem to be agreeing with the points that i'm making?.

I suppose because I do agree that people should understand the general rules. I just think it's as well that there is as much information as possible available, so when a new scam comes up it does no harm to warn people.

And I don't understand why people who think they are invulnerable can't just sit and quietly feel superior, rather than belittling people who post warnings, just because they feel that they don't need them.

I don't know why you keep on about this being "invulnerable" and feeling "superior" thing. How to avoid scams is a basic life skill that all adults should be taught, just like crossing the road without being hit by a car for example. Just because i can cross the road without being hit by cars it in no way makes me feel invulnerable or superior i just know to be cautious and what to do. If people started posting on here on how to cross specific roads i would again say it's a bit pointless and much easier to just teach people how to cross all roads....

I think the problem is that you are making post after post after post, essentially defending your right to criticise someone for doing exactly what this forum is here for them to do.

There are many things in life that people should do, such as reading the T&Cs, knowing all the signs of scams, taking care when crossing the road. Unfortunately, not everyone does these things, or does not do them (or understand their implications) perfectly, or occasionally forgets,  so any extra help can be valuable.

It's a little hard to see where your obsession with only warning people in a general way is coming from. It seems a little odd, to say the least.

I can't see how continuing a discussion on the matter and responding to people can be considered an "obsession" that's just how discussion forums like these work. Also if the discussion continues and myself and others continue to post in this thread then it keeps it at the top of the forum and more people are likely to read the opening post, so surely you see this as a positive result.

Nobody seems to be disagreeing that learning how to avoid scams in general in a good thing if i keep talking about this then that may trigger someone to actually go and do that and help them. 

So criticising me for continuing to post but in the same post saying the more posts about scams the more helpful it is actually contradicts each other.

Moglex

Takmon said:

Zedicus said:

Takmon said:

Moglex said:

Takmon said:

Moglex; So why do you disagree with my posts when you seem to be agreeing with the points that i'm making?.

I suppose because I do agree that people should understand the general rules. I just think it's as well that there is as much information as possible available, so when a new scam comes up it does no harm to warn people.

And I don't understand why people who think they are invulnerable can't just sit and quietly feel superior, rather than belittling people who post warnings, just because they feel that they don't need them.

I don't know why you keep on about this being "invulnerable" and feeling "superior" thing. How to avoid scams is a basic life skill that all adults should be taught, just like crossing the road without being hit by a car for example. Just because i can cross the road without being hit by cars it in no way makes me feel invulnerable or superior i just know to be cautious and what to do. If people started posting on here on how to cross specific roads i would again say it's a bit pointless and much easier to just teach people how to cross all roads....

I think the problem is that you are making post after post after post, essentially defending your right to criticise someone for doing exactly what this forum is here for them to do.

There are many things in life that people should do, such as reading the T&Cs, knowing all the signs of scams, taking care when crossing the road. Unfortunately, not everyone does these things, or does not do them (or understand their implications) perfectly, or occasionally forgets,  so any extra help can be valuable.

It's a little hard to see where your obsession with only warning people in a general way is coming from. It seems a little odd, to say the least.

I can't see how continuing a discussion on the matter and responding to people can be considered an "obsession" that's just how discussion forums like these work. Also if the discussion continues and myself and others continue to post in this thread then it keeps it at the top of the forum and more people are likely to read the opening post, so surely you see this as a positive result.

Ah, you seem to be back-tracking a bit. You were against the OP, remember you said:

Imagine if someone posted on here everytime they got a scam text, call, email etc the forum would be overrun with constant posts.

If people are still silly enough to fall for these kinds of things then no number of additional warnings will help them...

 now you're just posting again and again to keep the OP at the top of the forum index.

Nice job.

accorian

tempus_fugit said:

When I read the original post I thought the email had just told the OP to log in to their account, which is not inherently a security issue. What was missing from the post, presumably, was the fact that it actually asked them to log in via a link in the email, which of course would direct you to a clone of the website and grab your login details. This is the crucial bit of information, there is nothing wrong with logging into the legitimate website in order to check your account.

Thanks for the clarification, tempus. Your assumption makes sense. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why so much fuss had been caused as a result of an invitation message to log into one's own online account. This isn't the first time that an OP lacked a crucial bit of info, and sadly, it won't be the last.

Zedicus

accorian said:

tempus_fugit said:

When I read the original post I thought the email had just told the OP to log in to their account, which is not inherently a security issue. What was missing from the post, presumably, was the fact that it actually asked them to log in via a link in the email, which of course would direct you to a clone of the website and grab your login details. This is the crucial bit of information, there is nothing wrong with logging into the legitimate website in order to check your account.

Thanks for the clarification, tempus. Your assumption makes sense. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why so much fuss had been caused as a result of an invitation message to log into one's own online account. This isn't the first time that an OP lacked a crucial bit of info, and sadly, it won't be the last.

I think that the clue was in the last line of the OP: "Take care do not open any links."
I think that makes it clear that the OP knew that it was the link that was the problem and s/he assumed that reader would pick that up. So the information was there if you put 2 and 2 together.

MovingForwards

Mobile phone scam text
I been having the text notification for ages, saying about my 3 bill hasn't been paid, the bank details need to be updated, confirm my bank details. 

I have tried to report it to 3, but without a proper phone number, they won't accept my report; it's one of those short numbers. 

No matter how many times I block, a new one replaces it.

Bank scam email
Same with the emails about a problem with my bank account, only once has it ever been a spam one for someone I do bank with, all the others have been 'from' a company I've never banked with.

Everytime one is received, I forward it to whichever bank it's 'from', but have never heard anything back.

My own bank scam
I have received an automated text from my own bank, saying there was potential fraud, following the well known advice of using a known number, I did.

Turned out my card details were in Mumbai, nope never been outside of Europe. The bank immediately blocked the transaction and put a stop on my card, I had moved the bulk of my money to another account whilst on the phone, leaving enough for my direct debits.

The awkward thing was, I was moving home that day. My bank were happy not to issue a new card until I had updated my address (didn't do it during the call as I wanted to have the keys in my hand), got my new card a few days after requesting it.

The odd thing is my OH also received a similar text from his bank. Apparently he was also in Mumbai, spending roughly the same amount as I was. He only has one account, so had to wait for a replacement.

We retraced our steps, comparing the shops we had been in over the previous month's, whether we had both used our cards in it. There was only one shop over the previous months we had both used our debit card, not at the same time but a few months apart; we did use that take-away again, but paid cash.

This is the reason I always advocate having more than one current account.

HMRC scam email
Classic one was getting the HMRC tax refund email, to my works email address this week, part of the sender's email address was hacker; gave me a good giggle!

 Conclusion
There have always been scams, there always will be, it's down to us to be aware and also pass on our experiences either by speaking to friends and family or by writing it on social media.

This is why I have broken my down, just in case anyone uses a browser to search for information when s/he has received an email or text.

Takmon

Moglex said:

Takmon said:

Zedicus said:

Takmon said:

Moglex said:

Takmon said:

Moglex; So why do you disagree with my posts when you seem to be agreeing with the points that i'm making?.

I suppose because I do agree that people should understand the general rules. I just think it's as well that there is as much information as possible available, so when a new scam comes up it does no harm to warn people.

And I don't understand why people who think they are invulnerable can't just sit and quietly feel superior, rather than belittling people who post warnings, just because they feel that they don't need them.

I don't know why you keep on about this being "invulnerable" and feeling "superior" thing. How to avoid scams is a basic life skill that all adults should be taught, just like crossing the road without being hit by a car for example. Just because i can cross the road without being hit by cars it in no way makes me feel invulnerable or superior i just know to be cautious and what to do. If people started posting on here on how to cross specific roads i would again say it's a bit pointless and much easier to just teach people how to cross all roads....

I think the problem is that you are making post after post after post, essentially defending your right to criticise someone for doing exactly what this forum is here for them to do.

There are many things in life that people should do, such as reading the T&Cs, knowing all the signs of scams, taking care when crossing the road. Unfortunately, not everyone does these things, or does not do them (or understand their implications) perfectly, or occasionally forgets,  so any extra help can be valuable.

It's a little hard to see where your obsession with only warning people in a general way is coming from. It seems a little odd, to say the least.

I can't see how continuing a discussion on the matter and responding to people can be considered an "obsession" that's just how discussion forums like these work. Also if the discussion continues and myself and others continue to post in this thread then it keeps it at the top of the forum and more people are likely to read the opening post, so surely you see this as a positive result.

Ah, you seem to be back-tracking a bit. You were against the OP, remember you said:

Imagine if someone posted on here everytime they got a scam text, call, email etc the forum would be overrun with constant posts.

If people are still silly enough to fall for these kinds of things then no number of additional warnings will help them...

 now you're just posting again and again to keep the OP at the top of the forum index.

Nice job.

I still stand by what I said I was making the point that when I continue to post I actually unintentionally support what "Zedicus" thinks is a good thing yet they said it was a problem for me to post....

But you knew that was what I was saying because you chose to not quote the last paragraph of my post where I said it was contradictory 

Azari

Takmon said:

Moglex said:

Takmon said:

Zedicus said:

Takmon said:

Moglex said:

Takmon said:

Moglex; So why do you disagree with my posts when you seem to be agreeing with the points that i'm making?.

I suppose because I do agree that people should understand the general rules. I just think it's as well that there is as much information as possible available, so when a new scam comes up it does no harm to warn people.

And I don't understand why people who think they are invulnerable can't just sit and quietly feel superior, rather than belittling people who post warnings, just because they feel that they don't need them.

I don't know why you keep on about this being "invulnerable" and feeling "superior" thing. How to avoid scams is a basic life skill that all adults should be taught, just like crossing the road without being hit by a car for example. Just because i can cross the road without being hit by cars it in no way makes me feel invulnerable or superior i just know to be cautious and what to do. If people started posting on here on how to cross specific roads i would again say it's a bit pointless and much easier to just teach people how to cross all roads....

I think the problem is that you are making post after post after post, essentially defending your right to criticise someone for doing exactly what this forum is here for them to do.

There are many things in life that people should do, such as reading the T&Cs, knowing all the signs of scams, taking care when crossing the road. Unfortunately, not everyone does these things, or does not do them (or understand their implications) perfectly, or occasionally forgets,  so any extra help can be valuable.

It's a little hard to see where your obsession with only warning people in a general way is coming from. It seems a little odd, to say the least.

I can't see how continuing a discussion on the matter and responding to people can be considered an "obsession" that's just how discussion forums like these work. Also if the discussion continues and myself and others continue to post in this thread then it keeps it at the top of the forum and more people are likely to read the opening post, so surely you see this as a positive result.

Ah, you seem to be back-tracking a bit. You were against the OP, remember you said:

Imagine if someone posted on here everytime they got a scam text, call, email etc the forum would be overrun with constant posts.

If people are still silly enough to fall for these kinds of things then no number of additional warnings will help them...

 now you're just posting again and again to keep the OP at the top of the forum index.

Nice job.

I still stand by what I said I was making the point that when I continue to post I actually unintentionally support what "Zedicus" thinks is a good thing yet they said it was a problem for me to post....

But you knew that was what I was saying because you chose to not quote the last paragraph of my post where I said it was contradictory 

Have you never heard the very sage advice?

If you are in a hole, stop digging.

Takmon

Azari said:

Takmon said:

Moglex said:

Takmon said:

Zedicus said:

Takmon said:

Moglex said:

Takmon said:

Moglex; So why do you disagree with my posts when you seem to be agreeing with the points that i'm making?.

I suppose because I do agree that people should understand the general rules. I just think it's as well that there is as much information as possible available, so when a new scam comes up it does no harm to warn people.

And I don't understand why people who think they are invulnerable can't just sit and quietly feel superior, rather than belittling people who post warnings, just because they feel that they don't need them.

I don't know why you keep on about this being "invulnerable" and feeling "superior" thing. How to avoid scams is a basic life skill that all adults should be taught, just like crossing the road without being hit by a car for example. Just because i can cross the road without being hit by cars it in no way makes me feel invulnerable or superior i just know to be cautious and what to do. If people started posting on here on how to cross specific roads i would again say it's a bit pointless and much easier to just teach people how to cross all roads....

I think the problem is that you are making post after post after post, essentially defending your right to criticise someone for doing exactly what this forum is here for them to do.

There are many things in life that people should do, such as reading the T&Cs, knowing all the signs of scams, taking care when crossing the road. Unfortunately, not everyone does these things, or does not do them (or understand their implications) perfectly, or occasionally forgets,  so any extra help can be valuable.

It's a little hard to see where your obsession with only warning people in a general way is coming from. It seems a little odd, to say the least.

I can't see how continuing a discussion on the matter and responding to people can be considered an "obsession" that's just how discussion forums like these work. Also if the discussion continues and myself and others continue to post in this thread then it keeps it at the top of the forum and more people are likely to read the opening post, so surely you see this as a positive result.

Ah, you seem to be back-tracking a bit. You were against the OP, remember you said:

Imagine if someone posted on here everytime they got a scam text, call, email etc the forum would be overrun with constant posts.

If people are still silly enough to fall for these kinds of things then no number of additional warnings will help them...

 now you're just posting again and again to keep the OP at the top of the forum index.

Nice job.

I still stand by what I said I was making the point that when I continue to post I actually unintentionally support what "Zedicus" thinks is a good thing yet they said it was a problem for me to post....

But you knew that was what I was saying because you chose to not quote the last paragraph of my post where I said it was contradictory 

Have you never heard the very sage advice?

If you are in a hole, stop digging.

Just because I have a different opinion than other posters doesn't mean I'm in a "hole" and clarifying my position when someone missinterprets my post is certainly not "digging"....

That's why people have discussions on here because they have different points of view and just because everyone doesn't end up agreeing doesn't mean it's a problem; that's just how the real world works.

Sheldon_Cooper

Give it a rest, mate. You're twisting and turning like the proverbial twisty turny thing.  It's not "having a discussion", it's you changing your angle over and over, and trying to make out it's everyone else who's in the wrong.

Takmon

Sheldon_Cooper said:

Give it a rest, mate. You're twisting and turning like the proverbial twisty turny thing.  It's not "having a discussion", it's you changing your angle over and over, and trying to make out it's everyone else who's in the wrong.

You obviously haven't been reading my posts properly then because my opinion on the subject has remained the same throughout the discussion. Do you not understand the concept of a debate where people have opposing points of view?.

It's surprising how many people on this forum are unable to take part in a debate where someone has an opposing point of view without being personally insulted when everyone doesn't agree with them. Then when someone continues to maintain the same opinion it is somehow considered the wrong thing to do....