BW Legal Threats 2 Years after PPN - Suggestions?

Scorpion70

Over two years ago I received a Private Parking Notice (or parking ticket, call them whatever) from the firm Premier Parking Solutions. I was initially mystified as to what to for as I used one of their dodgy carparks (google reviews confirm this) to park in mid 2017 and parked correctly within the white lines and left before my ticket expiry time. Little did I know, that two weeks later I received their letter about the vehicle responsible having no parking ticket that night.

Turns out - I luckily kept the parking ticket and have copies of it. I was in a work vehicle and out of habit I had entered my old car's registration into the ticket machine without thinking. A silly but I would say, easy mistake to make.

I explained this to PPS and even provided them with a photocopy of the ticket, explained the situation, and sent over a photo of the work car responsible and my old car, side by side in our yard and admitted it was a mistake, but I had paid for a ticket and left within my allotted time.

Of course, they weren't in the least bit interested in any of this and I had made the silly mistake (I was unaware this was an issue at the time) of admitting I was the driver of the work vehicle when explaining the situation to them.

After the fine went from £60 to £100 and then gradually up to around £160 from DRP ltd, they sent me a "good will reduction" of £120 or something before Christmas 2017 in the hope I'd pay. They were wrong.

I never heard from anyone again until about one month ago, two years later.

This time I had a letter from BW Legal saying they'd been instructed by PPS in relation to this ridiculous "PCN" and that I still owe £100 plus £60 in initial legal costs. They then threatened me with 16 days to pay up or they will seek client's instructions to commence legal action.

They also highlight CCJ on my credit file bla bla bla.

Anyway, I've just received my second letter from these bunch of scammers giving me till end of December to basically pay up as I didn't pay up or respond to the first letter one month ago. They state that their client may commence county court proceedings.

Is it now a good time to write to them to address this frankly ludicrous parking invoice?

I feel harassed and I will be writing to my local MP plus the MP of the area where this took place. It is despicable how PPS, DRP and BW Legal manage to exist when mere google searches show how unreasonably if not illegally they operate and yet get away with it.

I will go to court if I have to to fight these parasites every step of the way.

Redx

email a SAR to PPS to their DPO, attaching a copy of the V5C or a couple of recent but redacted utility bills to get all your data


the B W LEGAL juggernaut will trundle on and expect a court claim from the CCBC in Northampton in the new year , so prepare for it by doing your research after the holidays, but email the SAR tonight or asap

beamerguy

Do you understand that you are now being scammed by BWLegal.

Premier Parking Solutions are there kissing cousin ... BWL are trying to scam a lot of people right now, trouble is for BWL is that they are being kicked out of courts for ABUSE OF PROCESS.

And because they are ignoring the courts it means they are abusing the courts as well.

Yes, get your MP involved as he should take this to the Justice secretary informing him that BWLegal are scamming a lot of people and need to be stopped.

Read this and make sure your MP understands this as well

Abuse of Process ... District Judge tells BWLegal
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6014081/abuse-of-process-district-judge-tells-bwlegal

Post # 14 by couplon-mad is for you to use

What you have so far are stupid debt collector letter akin to the stupid DRP ones .... just ignore, meaningless driffle

Before they even take you to court, they must send you a letter before claim giving you 30 days to respond

If the letter before claim arrives let us know. But now you are well armed to ask them one simply question ....
ON WHAT AUTHORITY DO THEY HAVE TO ADD £60 TO CIRCUMVENT THE LAW.
But hey, let them waste their time further and only ask when you have a letter before claim

They don't have one, that is why they get spanked in court

Scorpion70

Redx wrote: »

email a SAR to PPS to their DPO, attaching a copy of the V5C or a couple of recent but redacted utility bills to get all your data


the B W LEGAL juggernaut will trundle on and expect a court claim from the CCBC in Northampton in the new year , so prepare for it by doing your research after the holidays, but email the SAR tonight or asap

Why would I request a Subject Access Request to PPS's Data Protection Officer? Just out of curiosity.

Do you mean the vehicle log of the works vehicle?

Scorpion70

beamerguy wrote: »

Do you understand that you are now being scammed by BWLegal.

Premier Parking Solutions are there kissing cousin ... BWL are trying to scam a lot of people right now, trouble is for BWL is that they are being kicked out of courts for ABUSE OF PROCESS.

And because they are ignoring the courts it means they are abusing the courts as well.

Yes, get your MP involved as he should take this to the Justice secretary informing him that BWLegal are scamming a lot of people and need to be stopped.

Read this and make sure your MP understands this as well

Abuse of Process ... District Judge tells BWLegal
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6014081/abuse-of-process-district-judge-tells-bwlegal

Post # 14 by couplon-mad is for you to use

What you have so far are stupid debt collector letter akin to the stupid DRP ones .... just ignore, meaningless driffle

Before they even take you to court, they must send you a letter before claim giving you 30 days to respond

If the letter before claim arrives let us know. But now you are well armed to ask them one simply question ....
ON WHAT AUTHORITY DO THEY HAVE TO ADD £60 TO CIRCUMVENT THE LAW.
But hey, let them waste their time further and only ask when you have a letter before claim

They don't have one, that is why they get spanked in court

Thanks for the thread attached. I will read that tomorrow. So you're saying for the moment I can leave things as they are? Or as the previous poster suggested, I should email PPS's DPO an SAR with a V5C. The V5C I can't get at this point in time, I don't think.

beamerguy

Scorpion70 wrote: »

Thanks for the thread attached. I will read that tomorrow. So you're saying for the moment I can leave things as they are? Or as the previous poster suggested, I should email PPS's DPO an SAR with a V5C. The V5C I can't get at this point in time, I don't think.

You still send a SAR,. that will provide the info they have on you, so Redx is correct to say that.

The V5 is needed to confirm you are the correct person, data protection etc.

So, you don't respond to silly debt letters but you must respond to a letter before claim giving you 30 days.

And don't phone them, they have a team of bully boys

Scorpion70

beamerguy wrote: »

You still send a SAR,. that will provide the info they have on you, so Redx is correct to say that.

The V5 is needed to confirm you are the correct person, data protection etc.

So, you don't respond to silly debt letters but you must respond to a letter before claim giving you 30 days.

And don't phone them, they have a team of bully boys

Ok, thanks. The V5C as I understand is potentially (at least in the present) - unobtainable. I will have to go through different channels at work to request this I think.

As for redacted utility bills, this may be difficult as I don't really have any current utility bills as I've been living with parents and from what I know, all PPS know about me is my name, work email address and the company I work for. I don't know whether they have my home address unless they went to the DVLA for my data in relation to my old car which they have the registration of that too.
In reality, I'm angry that the company I work for (who you could say is very large) palmed the ticket onto me when frankly, if I'd have never emailed PPS admitting what had happened etc, they'd have just emailed my employer again and I don't see how they'd have got very far given who my employer is.

In reality, I don't use private parking car parks any more and if I ever got a ticket in a works vehicle again - I would deal with it in a very different way, but there we are.

Umkomaas

if I'd have never emailed PPS admitting what had happened etc, they'd have just emailed my employer again and I don't see how they'd have got very far given who my employer is.

Many large companies can't be @rsed with the hassle, they simply pay the PPC what they want, then dock that from the employees pay packet!

Is all the correspondence you are now receiving addressed in your name, or in the company's name with them just passing it over to you?

You don't necessarily need the vehicle's V5C, you could use utility bills (as suggested by Redx).

beamerguy

Bit of a tangled web.

So the vehicle is registered to your company hence the V5 issue.
Is it a vehicle allocated to you or a pool vehicle

Have you told your employer that you will deal with it directly ?

Redx

Definitely a tangled web , how were we to know ?

My point was clear , email a SAR

To obtain a reply with your data , YOU must provide the PPC with proof of I D

We tend to reject using driving licence or passport because of the extra data on it , hence normally we advise to use a V5C or a copy of the court claim form, or redacted utility bills with your name and address and date on them

Frankly , it's about you proving your I D , so it's your problem to decide how you prove that you are you , so forget about the V5C because that won't help you as it's not in your own name or address, just use any proof of I D you are happy with

You know what you need to do , so how you do it is your problem , if you disregard the letter and my advice , then use a copy of the claim form when it arrives as proof of I D and email the SAR (but better to do it now than later)

Hope that clarifies it

The_Deep

It is not a fine. It is an invoice from an ex-clamper for the damage they allege you have caused them by your egregious behaviour, we call it a scam.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP., it can cause the scammer extra costs and work, and in some cases, cancellation.

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.[/FONT]