Do employers have to tell you if the job is zero hours?

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You do get holiday pay and even pension contributions when the Provi and love money sites news article claim I wouldn't, when I later got access to the company app I saw behind the scenes I was deemed an hourly paid / casual worker.

My only problem was when I came to leave suddenly it was a case of him who recruited you who has left should never have put you on that contract and you owe us proper notice which was the last thing I expected to hear. I was also on 6 month probation too which I guess on passing the contract may well have changed. At my old work place because we used to have change-over of general managers then you would just play to the one then placed in charge that you no longer wanted a zero-hours. I never really wanted to go and complain in the office but didn't half get it when I came to leave. I really felt I should have pushed more on my first day but hindsight is a beautiful thing.

I should also point out we got shifts based on caring enough; I watched perm staff saying they wanted to go home early and did they have to work when it was quiet in fairness and their wish was my 'employers' command so zero-hours was probably used right.

I just saw zero-hours as if the hotel genuinely had no guests or beast from the east hit again as times I may not work, or if I couldn't get the job (capability)

I can't remember what was said at the interview word for word fully as I was going for a part time job which turned full-time, the GM just said I only employ zero-hours and it wasn't as the media made out.

5 months of work every week. It wasn't my for life job.

getmore4less

Mrs_justjohn wrote: »

Yes that was my understanding but according to the handbook she was given it states she is required (or they may have said 'expected' - I can't recall what she told me) to work the hours given to her to ensure the smooth running of the business. It seems like the company want the perks of a true zero hour contract without the downsides!

The law covers contractual terms that conflict with the right to turn down work.

bartelbe

I am glad she is out out it, any company that lies about terms and conditions in a job advert sounds like an awful place to work.

General_Grant

OP - you don't say how long she has actually worked there (the new employer). Is it less than a month? Less than two months?

gomer

Many zero hours companies mislead about this, calling the role full time or permanent. Ive applied with at least two very large security companies who do this. You don't get sick pay, only ssp. If you work 12 shifts then some will only pay 8hr for holiday pay. It's an awful awful way to work.

In order to justify it we are often told how millions of people find zero hours suits them perfectly. I've yet to meet one. I was mislead more than once & getting them to actually tell me all they were offering was zero hours was like getting blood out of a stone. They don't volunteer that information freely because they know if they did most people wouldn't even bother with an interview.

Blatchford

Just to answer the basic question, as we've gone around the houses here. Actually yes, a zero hots contract must be in writing. If it isn't, then it isn't! There may be questions about what the contractual terms are, but very very clearly, if it isn't in writing that it's zero hours, it ain'tb zero hours.

Mrs_justjohn

bartelbe wrote: »

I am glad she is out out it, any company that lies about terms and conditions in a job advert sounds like an awful place to work.

I am inclined to agree :-)

Mrs_justjohn

General_Grant wrote: »

OP - you don't say how long she has actually worked there (the new employer). Is it less than a month? Less than two months?

She had only done two days work there before she brought up the issue of feeling mislead :-(

Mrs_justjohn

Blatchford wrote: »

Just to answer the basic question, as we've gone around the houses here. Actually yes, a zero hots contract must be in writing. If it isn't, then it isn't! There may be questions about what the contractual terms are, but very very clearly, if it isn't in writing that it's zero hours, it ain'tb zero hours.

I have not seen a contract. I believe she was just told on her first day that it was a zero hour position. So in the absence of a contract, the letter offering her the 'full time' job and setting out her hours would stand as an 'agreement' or contract?


Largely moot as she has decided to accept the offer of her old job back but handy to know for the future.

Blatchford

Mrs_justjohn wrote: »

I have not seen a contract. I believe she was just told on her first day that it was a zero hour position. So in the absence of a contract, the letter offering her the 'full time' job and setting out her hours would stand as an 'agreement' or contract?


Largely moot as she has decided to accept the offer of her old job back but handy to know for the future.

Yes to the first it.

Handier to know for the future, is that when you don't know what you are doing, join an organisation that does. Like a union. Your mother in law doesn't know, so she asks a bunch of anonymous strangers? Not great for accurate legal advice...