PCN but UKPC have put incorrect VRN on ticket.

waamo

Write to them and say the fee for mistyping a VRN is £100. You are prepared to reduce it to £60 if payed within 14 days

youreds

Identical MO to the one I have just beaten.


https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/76548112#Comment_76548112


Go to the website & submit an 'appeal', use the wording below, nothing more, nothing less/

You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days as prescribed by section 9 (4) of the Act. You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.

There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

Any further communication with me on this matter, apart from confirmation of no further action and my details being removed from your records, will be considered vexatious and harassment. This includes communication from any Debt Collection companies you care to instruct.

Around 35 days later you'll get a letter saying it's cancelled. Basically, they can't void the windscreen ticket & raise a new NTK.

thumbcrusher

Once again thanks for the great advice folks. Really appreciate it!

thumbcrusher

Umkomaas thanks for your help. The Letter is definately an NTK!

It reads:-

Dear *****

This parking charge notice supercedes 12345******* which has been reissued.

Re: Parking charge - Notice to keeper.

Your vehicle was recorded on private property in breach of the following terms and conditions of parking.

Parked in a roadway............

The number reference they say has been superceded was the original NTD which had the incorrect reg number on it. They have then quoted a new reference number which allegedly relates to the reissued NTD.
No other NTD was put on the vehicle nor recieved in the post.

Hope that's clarified my explanation a bit better.

Umkomaas

thumbcrusher wrote: »

Umkomaas thanks for your help. The Letter is definately an NTK!

It reads:-

Dear *****

This parking charge notice supercedes 12345******* which has been reissued.

Re: Parking charge - Notice to keeper.

Your vehicle was recorded on private property in breach of the following terms and conditions of parking.

Parked in a roadway............

The number reference they say has been superceded was the original NTD which had the incorrect reg number on it. They have then quoted a new reference number which allegedly relates to the reissued NTD.
No other NTD was put on the vehicle nor recieved in the post.

Hope that's clarified my explanation a bit better.

But are they claiming that the RK is liable under PoFA for the parking charge if the driver isn't identified? What they say in this context is critical. If you can't work your way through that, please post a link to a copy of the UKPC letter for us to look at.

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Coupon-mad

Search the forum for UKPC supersedes (spelt with an 's' not 'c') and you will find how commonly they do this.

In the first appeal, from the keeper online (NOT ticking driver and not letting the drop down default back to driver as it sometimes does - be alert before submitting it!) do not mention any PCN at all.

As such, the advice from youreds is a perfect approach for these cases because UKPC won't be able to show there was a NTD in this case.

nosferatu1001

If the NtD had the incorrect reg, there was no NtD, and they dont get to claim POFA2012 compliance as they can never meet it.

youreds

nosferatu1001 wrote: »

If the NtD had the incorrect reg, there was no NtD, and they dont get to claim POFA2012 compliance as they can never meet it.

Exactly. Use their online 'appeals' facility & it won't even cost you a stamp. Use my exact wording (credit to Ostell on Pepipoo & Legalbeagles) & they'll roll over with barely a whimper.

What bothers me about these cases is that many times we never hear from the OP what the result was, I am sure many just pay up out of fear. I hope we hear good news from thumbcrusher in around 5 weeks time. Subscribed.

thumbcrusher

Umkomaas hopefully here's the pertinent bit of the letter received...

hxxps://imgur.com/7vdrLgF

Umkomaas

thumbcrusher wrote: »

Umkomaas hopefully here's the pertinent bit of the letter received...

hxxps://imgur.com/7vdrLgF

https://imgur.com/7vdrLgF

That's not a PoFA-compliant communication. They know they're stuffed, and as long as the driver isn't voluntarily (or involuntarily) identified, they have no chance of holding the keeper liable.

Follow Coupon-mad's advice above.