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Empty property tax. 100% fine

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  • Its only fraud if his friend tom jones didn't live there..
  • supa34
    supa34 Posts: 138 Forumite
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    Quick update.

    I read the bill again and it was 200%. So I called the council and its 200% because its been empty for over 2 years. I mentioned how I only purchased it 10 months ago and I shouldnt be fined/liable for previous owners action.

    They girl on the phone was very understanding and then gave me a hint on a loophole to cancel out the fine.

    For the negative money savers, no I didn't know it was empty for that long and no I didn't look into it or plan for it. It's worked for me so far in life and will carry on.

    Also you need to realise that empty property has nothing to do with homelessness.
  • Slithery
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    supa34 wrote: »
    Quick update.

    I read the bill again and it was 200%. So I called the council and its 200% because its been empty for over 2 years. I mentioned how I only purchased it 10 months ago and I shouldnt be fined/liable for previous owners action.
    But that's what is meant to happen, the clock doesn't get reset on change of ownership otherwise families would just keep gifting properties forwards and backwards between themselves to avoid the additional tax.

    What is this loophole that you've found?
  • lees80
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    You didn't look into it or plan for it. Hope that keeps working out for you in 'life'.
  • AdrianC
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    supa34 wrote: »
    I read the bill again and it was 200%. So I called the council and its 200% because its been empty for over 2 years. I mentioned how I only purchased it 10 months ago and I shouldnt be fined/liable for previous owners action.
    But that's how it works. They time the property has been empty is key, not the time you've kept it empty.
    no I didn't know it was empty for that long and no I didn't look into it or plan for it. It's worked for me so far in life and will carry on.
    You're being bitten by it now.
  • justjohn
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    edited 22 November 2019 at 8:03AM
    davidmcn wrote: »
    As one example, alcohol sales in Scotland have fallen to their lowest recorded level since minimum pricing was introduced (and doesn't directly result in increased revenue for the state).



    price fixing of alcohol in Scotland does indirectly create more revenue for the state.


    The main reason it was introduced was to attempt to control or manipulate alcohol abuse, Or the effects on the NHS.


    I believe it has fallen but not in the circles / groups it was meant to control.


    Many people were effected by it, that do not abuse alcohol.


    Price fixing is a much better term for it....
  • justjohn
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    Slithery wrote: »
    But that's what is meant to happen, the clock doesn't get reset on change of ownership otherwise families would just keep gifting properties forwards and backwards between themselves to avoid the additional tax.



    Many councils do reset the clock for various reason. eg. it only has to be lived in for X time before empty property relief starts again.
  • justjohn
    justjohn Posts: 2,260 Forumite
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    supa34 wrote: »
    Quick update.

    I read the bill again and it was 200%. So I called the council and its 200% because its been empty for over 2 years. I mentioned how I only purchased it 10 months ago and I shouldnt be fined/liable for previous owners action.

    They girl on the phone was very understanding and then gave me a hint on a loophole to cancel out the fine.

    For the negative money savers, no I didn't know it was empty for that long and no I didn't look into it or plan for it. It's worked for me so far in life and will carry on.

    Also you need to realise that empty property has nothing to do with homelessness.




    You need to read the councils terms for awarding relief.


    Have you had renovation relief?
    Can you register there?
    Can you register there as a holiday home?


    There will be ways round it...The council will not help you to save money. They will give minimal info.(that's what our council does). Sometime they are not even aware of all the rules.
  • Hasbeen
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    davidmcn wrote: »
    As one example, alcohol sales in Scotland have fallen to their lowest recorded level since minimum pricing was introduced (and doesn't directly result in increased revenue for the state).

    It does increase income for the state but not for the Scottish one.
    A lot of people here do white van runs or drive themselves over the border and buy in England.

    Berwick on tweed is one of the favourites, supermarkets jammed with trolleys full of booze.:rotfl:
    The world is not ruined by the wickedness of the wicked, but by the weakness of the good. Napoleon
  • CIS
    CIS Posts: 12,260 Forumite
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    The wording of the legislation is to look at the length of time it's met the qualifying criteria, it's specifically worded so that ownership does not come in to it (it stops people from swapping property around to avoid it - people do try it).



    Out of curiosity, what was the 'loophole' they advised you about?
    I no longer work in Council Tax Recovery but instead work as a specialist Council Tax paralegal assisting landlords and Council Tax payers with council tax disputes and valuation tribunals. My views are my own reading of the law and you should always check with the local authority in question.
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