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michaels

Second month in a row best selling car in the UK is electric.

NigeWick

Martyn1981 said:  Should we support all cars to help an industry, or only cleaner cars to still help an industry whilst 'nudging' in the desired direction, and one that is inevitable anyway.

Only buy BEVs IMHO. Even then, this should be until "transport as a service" (TAAS) is with us. I can't wait for TAAS to be in play as I could sell the BEV and have a decent sized man cave where the garage is at present.

NigeWick

zeupater said:

I'd be very reticent to support such a scheme without first seeing the eligibility criteria!!

If @tonyseba is correct and I suspect he is, ICE vehicles will be worth next to nothing in 3 - 5 years time. Therefore anybody buying a new ICE will be basically throwing away the cost of that vehicle. I readily admit that there will be supplies of cheap petrol & diesel for quite a few years, but, I expect the VEL on ICE will be prohibitive when HMGov sticks it on BEVs.

zeupater

NigeWick said:

zeupater said:

I'd be very reticent to support such a scheme without first seeing the eligibility criteria!!

If @tonyseba is correct and I suspect he is, ICE vehicles will be worth next to nothing in 3 - 5 years time. Therefore anybody buying a new ICE will be basically throwing away the cost of that vehicle. I readily admit that there will be supplies of cheap petrol & diesel for quite a few years, but, I expect the VEL on ICE will be prohibitive when HMGov sticks it on BEVs.

Hi

As previously discussed, TaaS doesn't suit everyone, particularly those in less urban environments where 'wait times' would likely prove slightly more than 'annoying'; just as relevant is the operation of such services in high density urban environments where alternative forms of mass-transit services are frequent, pretty reliable & relatively cheap ....

That really leaves the TaaS market focus area being 'suburbia', precisely the place where you're likely to find people with enough money to not worry about the monthly outgoings on new vehicle leasing vs TaaS or depreciation of a lump of under-utilised metal on the driveway due to it not being their problem ... they just hand it back at the end of the contract period and get a shiny new replacement to impress friend & neighbourhood Jones' for a few more years !

Anyway, 3-5 years really isn't the timescale to look at for TaaS to have a substantial affect on the new vehicle market ... EVs maybe gaining a good proportion of market share within that timespan, but the level of autonomy & the regulatory sign-off needed to provide individual transport services at scale are well beyond that type of horizon, so it certainly looks like self-driven 'owned' electrified vehicles (admittedly with driving assistance technologies!) will be with almost all of us for a considerable time yet .... if Tony Seba thinks differently he should be building cars & exploiting the 'obvious' gap in the market that others haven't recognised with such clarity, but every time I've looked he was just painting the same vision with a brush dabbed in a well used pot of over-optimism ....

HTH - Z

Martyn1981

Germany pushing PEV's with increases in the incentives, which seem large enough to tilt the playing field in their favour.

Germany Doubles EV Incentives, Conventional Cars Get Nichts

Germany is firmly in the first category. (We’ll leave it to you to determine who is in the second.) German auto dealers have been pleading for incentive programs to help move oceans of unsold cars, but the government has decided it will incentivize only the purchase of plug-in hybrid, 100% battery electric, and hydrogen fuel cell cars.

Under the terms of a newly announced €130 billion economic recovery package, buyers of those cars will get double the current incentive — €6,000 rather than €3,000 — until the end of 2021. In addition, manufacturers will kick in another €3,000, bringing the total available incentives up to €9,000. Buyers of conventional cars get nothing.

German EV Market Share Triples To 7.3% In May

Europe’s largest auto market, Germany, saw plugin electric vehicle market share of 7.3% in May, up from 2.4% a year ago. Meanwhile, the overall auto market volume was down 50% year on year. New government stimulus measures will give electric vehicles a further boost in the coming months.

NigeWick

zeupater said:

As previously discussed, TaaS doesn't suit everyone, particularly those in less urban environments where 'wait times' would likely prove slightly more than 'annoying'; 

I agree that it will not suit everybody, but, I believe it will suit enough to make a huge difference to the number of vehicles on the roads. As to 'wait times' I reckon most people know when they want to go somewhere and will book in advance as they do with taxis & private hire vehicles now.

I suspect Tony Seba may not be able to boil an egg let alone build cars. I understand what you mean about the message being repeated. Doesn't make it wrong and the numbers agree with him, if you read them the same way he does...

Martyn1981

If you build them, they will come. Production on its way for GM vans and Chinese built TMY's:

GM Reveals New EV Strategy — Hit ‘Em Where They Ain’t

Five anonymous insiders tell Reuters the proposed GM van — code-named BV1 — is scheduled to start production late in 2021 and will be built alongside the upcoming Hummer electric pickup truck at the reconfigured Detroit-Hamtramck plant. It will use the new Ultium pouch cell batteries GM revealed with great fanfare earlier this year. The company has not officially confirmed the Reuters story, but suppliers familiar with plans at GM and Ford told Reuters US automakers “don’t want to leave the door open for Tesla” as they did with passenger cars. Commercial trucks are not glamorous, but the segment is one of the most profitable for manufacturers.

Tesla Model Y Factory Shell In China Now Fully Constructed

Made-in-China Model Ys will become very important to Tesla. The Chinese EV market is the world’s largest. It’s also the most competitive. Though, the Model 3 is doing very well there, sitting at #1 in the market by a wide margin looking at the first 4 months of the year. As a crossover, the Model Y is expected to do even better. Overall, the Model Y is expected to outsell the Models S, 3, and X combined. China will be a key market if it’s going to achieve that.

Martyn1981

Yes it's a depressed market, and a blip for now, but 12% share for BEV's is still fun to see:

Tesla Model 3 Is UK’s Best Selling Auto *Again* In May, EV Market Share Hits 16%

May 2020 saw UK plugin electric vehicle market share hit 16%, with the cumulative 2020 share now standing at 7.2%, almost triple 2019’s result.

The Tesla Model 3 again takes the prize for best selling auto (of any kind) overall, maintaining the result from April.

UK auto market volume was down 89% year on year, but auto dealers are now reopening for business, promising better results going forwards.

JKenH

Martyn1981 said:

Yes it's a depressed market, and a blip for now, but 12% share for BEV's is still fun to see:

Tesla Model 3 Is UK’s Best Selling Auto *Again* In May, EV Market Share Hits 16%

May 2020 saw UK plugin electric vehicle market share hit 16%, with the cumulative 2020 share now standing at 7.2%, almost triple 2019’s result.

The Tesla Model 3 again takes the prize for best selling auto (of any kind) overall, maintaining the result from April.

UK auto market volume was down 89% year on year, but auto dealers are now reopening for business, promising better results going forwards.

Spin?

Plug-ins had 34% market share in April so perhaps a more accurate report would have been:

Plug in Market share halves in May and BEVs fall from 31.8% to just 12%... and Tesla M3 share falls from 15% to 4%. Is this the end of the road for Tesla?

ASavvyBuyer

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