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Grumpy_chap

silverwhistle said:

next skiing holiday in the Italian Alps though, although I'd happily enough try the same trip in warmer temperatures. 

Does driving an EV overcome the obvious drawback of a skiing holiday in warmer temperatures?

JKenH

shinytop said:

Isn’t this thread meant to be a discussion and debate about BEV developments; hopefully an intelligent and friendly one? 

 In Today’s Telegraph, Stephen Fry (talking to Jordan Peterson):

I’m so tired, and distressed, and worried by the great fissure that has opened up: the culture wars, or whatever we like to call it. The assumption that there are your friends and your enemies and no ground in between; no commonality, no cohesion of viewpoint, no shared things that can happen between people who represent different ways of looking at the world.

Some friends of mine, who disapprove of you, would think I was doing something wrong by associating with you. I hope our debate shows that isn’t the case. I think fundamentally, as I do of almost everybody I meet, that we have so much more in common than we have separating us.

We all, I hope, enjoy BEVs and want to hear and talk about them for better or worse. 

Martyn1981

I love this series of vids, much akin to my policy of, just call it out, appeasement never works.

Honest Government Ad | Electric Vehicles

Why bother with EV's when you can have a !!!!!! policy instead!

[Edit - Wow - MSE has altered my post as the Austrialian policy acronym is, presumably too rude! M.]

JKenH

Martyn1981 said:

I love this series of vids, much akin to my policy of, just call it out, appeasement never works.

Honest Government Ad | Electric Vehicles

Why bother with EV's when you can have a !!!!!! policy instead!

[Edit - Wow - MSE has altered my post as the Austrialian policy acronym is, presumably too rude! M.]

Great video, Mart; well the visuals were anyway. I could quite happily watch that again. Presumably the Australian government have a reason for adopting their current policy - perhaps something to do with politics? 

QrizB

Martyn1981 said:

I love this series of vids, much akin to my policy of, just call it out, appeasement never works.

I see they've got one on renewable energy, too

I don't have an EV but my next vehicle is likely to be one, and the one after that will almost certainly be one. I can't afford £50k for a Tesla or £25k for a new MG but a ten-year-old BEV or PHEV might just about be in my price range, and with the PHEV I won't be entirely reliant on a ten-year-old battery.

Grumpy_chap

Martyn1981 said:

I love this series of vids, much akin to my policy of, just call it out, appeasement never works.

Honest Government Ad | Electric Vehicles

Why bother with EV's when you can have a !!!!!! policy instead!

[Edit - Wow - MSE has altered my post as the Austrialian policy acronym is, presumably too rude! M.]

You do realise that is a spoof given away in the first frame
The crest of the Australien Government.  

Solarchaser

QrizB said:

Martyn1981 said:

I love this series of vids, much akin to my policy of, just call it out, appeasement never works.

I see they've got one on renewable energy, too

I don't have an EV but my next vehicle is likely to be one, and the one after that will almost certainly be one. I can't afford £50k for a Tesla or £25k for a new MG but a ten-year-old BEV or PHEV might just about be in my price range, and with the PHEV I won't be entirely reliant on a ten-year-old battery.

Bought a 3 year old 24kwh leaf for £10k two and a half years ago, and since then I've put a set of tyres on it in 15k miles of motoring.

The satisfaction of not lying under an ice car every other weekend cannot be understated.

Leaf has been absolutely flawless, and the wife does double the mileage in it than she was doing in the ice car before, because charging at various places (including home, shopping and various work places) is so much more convenient for her.

But as this thread has recently shown, the Scottish central belt has a significantly better charger infrastructure than most of England, (Though I did over a thousand miles around England 2 summers ago, with no charging issues) so I couldn't comment on your own areas charging, nor tell you that your charging experience would be as positive. 

JKenH

QrizB said:

Martyn1981 said:

I love this series of vids, much akin to my policy of, just call it out, appeasement never works.

I see they've got one on renewable energy, too

I don't have an EV but my next vehicle is likely to be one, and the one after that will almost certainly be one. I can't afford £50k for a Tesla or £25k for a new MG but a ten-year-old BEV or PHEV might just about be in my price range, and with the PHEV I won't be entirely reliant on a ten-year-old battery.

Just seen a 40kwh Leaf for sale at £13999 which should give you a minimum 100 mile range in virtually all circumstances. I really like mine.

This is what TopGear said 
“But the real joy of the Leaf isn’t the money, it’s the motor, and its charming grace. For the way most people drive (if not, literally, for petrolheads), it’s simply a better source of motion.”

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/nissan/leaf/verdict

Grumpy_chap

QrizB said:

I don't have an EV but my next vehicle is likely to be one, and the one after that will almost certainly be one. I can't afford £50k for a Tesla or £25k for a new MG 

As I understand it, a big selling point of new EV's is the very low depreciation.
I see a real challenge to the MG EV's in this regard because of their massive discounting to public sector:

• MG5 for "average Joe" = £25k - £27.5k.    For public sector = £20k - £22.5k
• MG ZX EV for "average Joe" = £26k - £28.5k.    For public sector = £21.5k - £23.5k

This is a massive depreciation immediately built in for "average Joe" and significant brand devaluation.
That aside, IMO the two best EVs available right now are the MG5 and the TM3.

QrizB

JKenH said:

Just seen a 40kwh Leaf for sale at £13999 which should give you a minimum 100 mile range in virtually all circumstances. I really like mine.

I think we're talking different languages here, in 33 years of motoring I've bought seven cars and their purchase prices total £12k - which includes £4k I once paid for an 18-month-old Fiat Punto (and which, to be fair, I enjoyed driving for nine years).

Admittedly my current car is 17 years old so if that Leaf lasted to the same age without needing serious work it would work out as about £1k/year (and I'd be nearly 70 by then).