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JKenH

Martyn1981 said:

silverwhistle said:

JKenH said:

 As an example was I the only one who could see something patently incorrect with the claim in the article “A calculation of the resources used to make cars relative to their weight shows it is at least 300 times greater for oil-fuelled cars”?  Did nobody give it a second thought or do people accept that because it is a pro EV comment it is immune to criticism? 

Perhaps they've changed the wording, or you misquoted but the article just came up on one of my feeds and actually says:

A calculation of the resources for each relative to their weight shows internal combustion engines burn material 300 times greater than that lost once an electric car battery is scrapped. The comparison did not include potential emissions if fossil fuels were burned to create the power for recharging of car batteries.

Hiya. If I can interject, it looks like there has been a small change to the article. Using my original post we have the first para's stating:

Fossil fuel cars waste hundreds of times more raw material than their battery electric equivalents, according to a study that adds to evidence that the move away from petrol and diesel cars will bring large net environmental benefits.

Only about 30kg of raw material will be lost over the lifecycle of a lithium ion battery used in electric cars once recycling is taken into account, compared with 17,000 litres of oil, according to analysis by Transport & Environment (T&E) seen by the Guardian. A calculation of the resources used to make cars relative to their weight shows it is at least 300 times greater for oil-fuelled cars.

Whereas the article now states:

Fossil fuel cars waste hundreds of times more raw material than their battery electric equivalents, according to a study that adds to evidence that the move away from petrol and diesel cars will bring large net environmental benefits.

Only about 30kg of raw material will be lost over the lifecycle of a lithium ion battery used in electric cars once recycling is taken into account, compared with 17,000 litres of oil, according to analysis by Transport & Environment (T&E) seen by the Guardian.

A calculation of the resources for each relative to their weight shows internal combustion engines burn material 300 times greater than that lost once an electric car battery is scrapped. The comparison did not include potential emissions if fossil fuels were burned to create the power for recharging of car batteries.

Thank you for clarifying that, Mart.

Reed_Richards

2.6 metres per kilowatt hour???

Martyn1981

Update on the recent article looking at EV sales in some European countries, 'but now with added Germany'*.

Volkswagen Had 19% Of Electric Vehicle Sales In Germany, Netherlands, Norway, & 6 Other European Countries In January & February

Germany’s electric vehicle model sales data came in sooner than I thought, so I’m already providing an update to this report. As I noted the other day, Germany’s numbers are enormous compared to the other countries included in this analysis, so adding its numbers in can really shift things around. To get rolling, the key aspects of this report are:

• It only looks at pure electric vehicles (BEVs), not other plug-in vehicles (plug-in hybrids and extended-range electric vehicles), let alone conventional hybrids.

• Registration (“sales”) data come from Germany (BEV market size of 194,000 in 2020), Norway (80,000), the Netherlands (73,000), Sweden (28,000), Switzerland (20,000), Spain (18,000), Denmark (7,000), Finland (4,000), and Ireland (4,000) courtesy of EU-EVs.com.

Also, in addition to February results, I’m including January–February results in this article.
One important note that everyone should know by now: Tesla’s deliveries are heavily weighted to the 3rd month in the quarter. So, much will change again when we get March numbers in. Until then, let’s look at how things are shaking out.

silverwhistle

JKenH said:

So no, I didn’t misquote the article but I am sure you already knew that.

What I might have surmised is not what I 'knew'. Either way, I thought you'd be interested in the fact that they corrected the bad writing. Looks like somebody drew it to the subbies' attention.

EVandPV

Engie takes on Manchester charger installs for electric refuse vehicle rollout

https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/engie-takes-on-manchester-charger-installs-for-electric-refuse-vehicle-rollout

Martyn1981

Tough targets needed for US decarbonization, including electric vehicles.

New US vehicles must be electric by 2030 to meet climate goals – report

The US should ensure almost all new cars and light vehicles sold are electric by the end of this decade, and stop using fossil fuels for power generation by 2035, to cut greenhouse gas emissions in line with the Paris agreement, a new analysis has found.

Joe Biden, the US president, should aim for a national target of cutting emissions by about 60% by 2030, compared with 2005 levels, for the world to have a good chance of holding global temperature rises within 1.5C of pre-industrial levels, according to Climate Action Tracker.

Such a target would be substantially tougher than the halving of emissions by 2030, compared with 2005 levels, that many US civil society groups have espoused.

Biden has plans to ensure the US fully decarbonises power generation in the next 15 years, which CAT said was consistent with meeting the goals of the Paris agreement, and to move towards electric vehicles, though he has not set a firm timeline for the latter.

ASavvyBuyer

bp pulse pledges £2m to improve legacy charging infrastructure

Superscrooge

https://youtu.be/lnuH43-nowM

Martyn1981

Article on BEV's towing, and the results are fun. To cut a long story short, if you start off with a bigger, and less aerodynamic vehicle, then the additional impact (on efficiency and range) of the caravan is less than if you add it to a smaller more efficient vehicle. Makes sense, and perhaps something to bear in mind if towing a lot?
Also suggests bearing in mind the distance between charging stations, as range will be reduced, and the fact that most charging stations won't be set up to charge a vehicle whilst caravan/trailer is still attached.

Audi E-Tron & Tesla Model 3 Towing Large & Small Caravan

As expected, consumption does not increase nearly as much when we hook a caravan on the Audi e-tron. The range only decreases by about a third. The e-tron has a relatively flat front to break the wind. Basically, the e-tron therefore already uses more energy than the Model 3, according to the reference test without towing.

However, with the e-tron, it comes as a surprises that there is no major difference in energy consumption whether towing a small and presumably more aerodynamic caravan compared to a large box-shaped caravan.

Speaking of charging locations. Total is to add quite a few in France.

Total Adding Ultrafast EV Chargers To 300 Stations In France

Yesterday, we published a new report on electric vehicle sales in France. Some commenters quickly complained about EV charging options in France (something we are quite familiar with due to a few road trips through the country). Then, a few hours ago, another commenter, Pitounet, directed us to some great recent news out of France on this topic.

Clearly, you’ve already seen the title and know what the news is — the oil & gas giant Total, which has gas (aka petrol) and diesel stations in place across Europe, is planning to add ultrafast EV chargers at 300 stations across France.

The plan is to have all 300 ultrafast charging stations installed by the end of 2022. They will each have a power capacity of 175 kW.

Solarchaser

So basically the article says if you want to make a tm3 more inefficient than an etron, attach a caravan to it.

Note that by efficiency (wh/km) the tm3 was still better when towing same loads