Battery Electric Vehicle News / Enjoying the Transportation Revolution

Martyn1981

michaels said:

Sounded like the cybertruck is not coming to Europe. Halving of battery costs, increase in density (range) and reduction in use of supply constrained metals are all a big deal.  As is ability to manufacture at lower cost on a smaller footprint.

However new s is a long way away, after the lucid air and a lot of the battery stuff is still to actually be made to work in a production environment.  No announcement of a UK tera and model 2 factory either...

I did think the 3 pieces makes a car concept is very interesting from a manufacturing perspective, was there a timeline for this?

I've been busy watching the vloggers breakdown what was 'revealed', though of course most of it has leaked out steadily as the patents, job adverts and even test production have come out after the original date, but before yesterday's delayed reveal.
I think you got all the key points, and these are massive (though Wall Street typically gets depressed after seeing a Tesla reveal, that it typically doesn't understand).
If they ramp up production of their own batteries, whilst solving material issues, and reduce costs/prices, then the car production will improve (of course), but also we will see more and more people realising just how large the energy production, supply and management side of Tesla can (and will) be. They've been steadily targeting energy supply, and they have the potential to be absolutely massive in VPP's as they scale up their commercial storage sales.

But all that said, it was a pretty boring 'thing' to watch.

Here's a good article covering just the battery side of the reveal:

The Secret of Tesla Battery Day

The secret of Tesla Battery Day was that there was not one big innovation. There were dozens of big, bigger, and smarter innovations that all helped each other. That the whole is bigger than the sum of the parts is clearly also true for innovations. It was just demonstrated in a great presentation by Tesla.

silverwhistle

JK

I have a Zappi 2 charger to take advantage of my solar pv. [SNIP]

I've purchased an OHME cable and hope to use it via Agile after install and if Octopus decide 4 months is long enough to leave me with a non-functioning smart meter (and 8 months without an electric bill..). The car also comes with a granny charger and I've already used that with my solar and could be useful in some of the more extreme scenarios people are worrying about! The Zappi would have been a good option but a bit too expensive for my needs.

I think what we are all learning from this is that old word 'diversity' again, the fact that we know what can be achieved and with experience we don't fear the prospect of curtailment so much.

EVandPV

JKenH said:

I have a Zappi 2 charger to take advantage of my solar pv. It does have a ‘smart’ facility to work with TOU tariffs and I believe it communicates through the Myenergi hub.

Actually I am wondering if it does. I have never tried it as still with Bulb. At the  moment I just set the in car timer to charge during E7 period. Anybody know?

I also have a zappi 2.

I think what your referring to there is the esense mode which sets a ‘boost’ if it detects an E7 tariff low rate. It won’t work with Agile though.

However, Myenergi are currently developing firmware which integrates with Agile and will charge your car at the cheapest half hourly slots.

It’s possible to do this yourself if you know any coding using the Myenergi API. A few people on the forum have scripts working for this.

I was running my own script until a few weeks ago when we changed back to Go due to Agile prices climbing. Now,  I just set a charge schedule from 00.30am to 4.30am and be done with it.

JKenH

Apparently Tesla systems are down at the moment causing a few problems for owners. Some are unable to access their cars. I believe it is widespread in US including Hawaii. I don’t know if it’s affecting charging but presumably the charger relies on a central server for the handshake. 

The more interconnected cars get the bigger the potential problems. I can imagine robotaxis stranded all over the place as they don’t know where to go next.

https://electrek.co/2020/09/23/tesla-suffers-complete-network-outage-internal-systems-and-connectivity-features-down/

EVandPV

JKenH said:

Apparently Tesla systems are down at the moment causing a few problems for owners. Some are unable to access their cars. I believe it is widespread in US including Hawaii. I don’t know if it’s affecting charging but presumably the charger relies on a central server for the handshake. 

The more interconnected cars get the bigger the potential problems. I can imagine robotaxis stranded all over the place as they don’t know where to go next.

https://electrek.co/2020/09/23/tesla-suffers-complete-network-outage-internal-systems-and-connectivity-features-down/

For a second there, I though you meant they literally can't get into their cars. 
Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if the same thing happened with the Renault app. I hardly use it from one month to the next.
Seems to be affecting powerwalls too.

JKenH

EVandPV said:

JKenH said:

Apparently Tesla systems are down at the moment causing a few problems for owners. Some are unable to access their cars. I believe it is widespread in US including Hawaii. I don’t know if it’s affecting charging but presumably the charger relies on a central server for the handshake. 

The more interconnected cars get the bigger the potential problems. I can imagine robotaxis stranded all over the place as they don’t know where to go next.

https://electrek.co/2020/09/23/tesla-suffers-complete-network-outage-internal-systems-and-connectivity-features-down/

For a second there, I though you meant they literally can't get into their cars. 

I did; from the comments below the article.

I can’t get into my car for one. And I don’t have the key card. Hope they fix ASAP.

Same here in Germany, no remote access to the car via app.

EVandPV

JKenH said:

EVandPV said:

JKenH said:

Apparently Tesla systems are down at the moment causing a few problems for owners. Some are unable to access their cars. I believe it is widespread in US including Hawaii. I don’t know if it’s affecting charging but presumably the charger relies on a central server for the handshake. 

The more interconnected cars get the bigger the potential problems. I can imagine robotaxis stranded all over the place as they don’t know where to go next.

https://electrek.co/2020/09/23/tesla-suffers-complete-network-outage-internal-systems-and-connectivity-features-down/

For a second there, I though you meant they literally can't get into their cars. 

I did; from the comments below the article.

I can’t get into my car for one. And I don’t have the key card. Hope they fix ASAP.

Same here in Germany, no remote access to the car via app.

Jeez, didn't see that.
Bit of a muppet to not carry the key card.

JKenH

EVandPV said:

JKenH said:

EVandPV said:

JKenH said:

Apparently Tesla systems are down at the moment causing a few problems for owners. Some are unable to access their cars. I believe it is widespread in US including Hawaii. I don’t know if it’s affecting charging but presumably the charger relies on a central server for the handshake. 

The more interconnected cars get the bigger the potential problems. I can imagine robotaxis stranded all over the place as they don’t know where to go next.

https://electrek.co/2020/09/23/tesla-suffers-complete-network-outage-internal-systems-and-connectivity-features-down/

For a second there, I though you meant they literally can't get into their cars. 

I did; from the comments below the article.

I can’t get into my car for one. And I don’t have the key card. Hope they fix ASAP.

Same here in Germany, no remote access to the car via app.

Jeez, didn't see that.
Bit of a muppet to not carry the key card.

But why would you need it if your phone will open the car (except when it won’t)? 

We all know tech is unreliable but we like to show off then it doesn’t work just when you need it to. A bit like the Tesla touch screen, give me physical buttons anytime.

EVandPV

JKenH said:

EVandPV said:

JKenH said:

EVandPV said:

JKenH said:

Apparently Tesla systems are down at the moment causing a few problems for owners. Some are unable to access their cars. I believe it is widespread in US including Hawaii. I don’t know if it’s affecting charging but presumably the charger relies on a central server for the handshake. 

The more interconnected cars get the bigger the potential problems. I can imagine robotaxis stranded all over the place as they don’t know where to go next.

https://electrek.co/2020/09/23/tesla-suffers-complete-network-outage-internal-systems-and-connectivity-features-down/

For a second there, I though you meant they literally can't get into their cars. 

I did; from the comments below the article.

I can’t get into my car for one. And I don’t have the key card. Hope they fix ASAP.

Same here in Germany, no remote access to the car via app.

Jeez, didn't see that.
Bit of a muppet to not carry the key card.

A bit like the Tesla touch screen, give me physical buttons anytime.

Must admit, the cars are great looking from the outside but I'm not a fan of the minimalist interior and massive screen.

JKenH

EVandPV said:

JKenH said:

EVandPV said:

JKenH said:

EVandPV said:

JKenH said:

Apparently Tesla systems are down at the moment causing a few problems for owners. Some are unable to access their cars. I believe it is widespread in US including Hawaii. I don’t know if it’s affecting charging but presumably the charger relies on a central server for the handshake. 

The more interconnected cars get the bigger the potential problems. I can imagine robotaxis stranded all over the place as they don’t know where to go next.

https://electrek.co/2020/09/23/tesla-suffers-complete-network-outage-internal-systems-and-connectivity-features-down/

For a second there, I though you meant they literally can't get into their cars. 

I did; from the comments below the article.

I can’t get into my car for one. And I don’t have the key card. Hope they fix ASAP.

Same here in Germany, no remote access to the car via app.

Jeez, didn't see that.
Bit of a muppet to not carry the key card.

A bit like the Tesla touch screen, give me physical buttons anytime.

Must admit, the cars are great looking from the outside but I'm not a fan of the minimalist interior and massive screen.

I would love one but my wife says no - it’s the touch screen thing. A year ago there was nothing close and dynamically it is still probably the best out there but it’s a bit like buying a TVR (which I did 30 years ago). I am sure I would regret buying it but then again will regret it if I don’t.