The Alternative Green Energy Thread

JKenH

DiggerUK said:

JKenH, I haven't visited s Seeking Alpha in a month of Sunday's.
This guy used to write a lot about batteries, the science of battery storage problems and shortcomings that the world would need to address if EV's were to replace FFV's. Have you read any of his early stuff..._

No I haven’t read his stuff before so thanks. I had a skim through the list of articles and came across this.
When it comes to renewable energy, we’re inundated with promoters' claims, cost analyses, and news stories that always contain a dollop of objective truth, but encourage imaginative idealists to make flawed assumptions that lead straight to magical thinking.

The problem is this board is full of imaginative idealists and being pragmatists I am pretty sure one or both of us is going to get banned for heresy sooner or later if they have their way.

DiggerUK

JKenH said:

DiggerUK said:

JKenH, I haven't visited s Seeking Alpha in a month of Sunday's.
This guy used to write a lot about batteries, the science of battery storage problems and shortcomings that the world would need to address if EV's were to replace FFV's. Have you read any of his early stuff..._

The problem is this board is full of imaginative idealists and being pragmatists I am pretty sure one or both of us is going to get banned for heresy sooner or later if they have their way.

Don't be such a misery guts, other posters are entitled to their views and opinions the same as us.
We all have to abide by the same rules..._

Pile_o_stone

I had a skim through this https://www.tfes.org/ (The flat earth Society).

The problem is that this board is full of imaginative realists and being pragmatists I am pretty sure we is going to get banned for flat earth heresy sooner or later if they have their way.
The 'consensus' is that the earth is round, but none of the people on this board have ever been into space and so are just relying on so-called 'scientists' who tell them that the earth is not flat. We're sick of 'experts' telling us what we should believe! Grr.
The round-earthers on here just sit in this "echo-chamber" forum, patting themselves on the back and not lifting their heads up to see the truth. Literally, the truth is out there, just look out of the window - is the land around you curved??

Look with your eyes, don't believe the scientists doing years of research in their chosen fields! Listen to the plumbers, bricklayers or a 'lawyer and accountant who's devoted the last four decades to advising entrepreneurs on corporate finance' who post on youtube or blogs and have a readership in their 10s and perhaps 100s of people. THAT'S who we need to start getting our factual scientific information from!!
Blah, scientists, blah 'consensus!'

JKenH

Pile_o_stone said:

I had a skim through this https://www.tfes.org/ (The flat earth Society).

The problem is that this board is full of imaginative realists and being pragmatists I am pretty sure we is going to get banned for flat earth heresy sooner or later if they have their way.
The 'consensus' is that the earth is round, but none of the people on this board have ever been into space and so are just relying on so-called 'scientists' who tell them that the earth is not flat. We're sick of 'experts' telling us what we should believe! Grr.
The round-earthers on here just sit in this "echo-chamber" forum, patting themselves on the back and not lifting their heads up to see the truth. Literally, the truth is out there, just look out of the window - is the land around you curved??

Look with your eyes, don't believe the scientists doing years of research in their chosen fields! Listen to the plumbers, bricklayers or a 'lawyer and accountant who's devoted the last four decades to advising entrepreneurs on corporate finance' who post on youtube or blogs and have a readership in their 10s and perhaps 100s of people. THAT'S who we need to start getting our factual scientific information from!!
Blah, scientists, blah 'consensus!'

All views are welcome on this thread as long as you keep it polite. The intention is however that the post should in some way be related to green energy. It looks like we have a troll. 

I note your point however about who we should listen to. I did read with interest the credentials of the author (which CleanTechnica publish at the foot of the article) of a link referenced on the G&E thread recently:
Johnna Crider is a Baton Rouge artist, gem, and mineral collector, member of the International Gem Society, and a Tesla shareholder who believes in Elon Musk and Tesla. Elon Musk advised her in 2018 to “Believe in Good.” Tesla is one of many good things to believe in. You can find Johnna on Twitter

That’s the great thing about CleanTechnica, (one of the sources most commonly quoted on the G&E news thread) it doesn’t matter what your credentials are, as long as you have something positive to say about RE and/or something negative to say about fossil fuels it seems you can post on there. 

Edit: I forgot for a moment Zac and Jesse’s Tesla Youtube channel which also used to figure regularly with their wonderful conspiracy theories. How we miss those. 

ABrass

JKenH said:

Pile_o_stone said:

I had a skim through this https://www.tfes.org/ (The flat earth Society).

The problem is that this board is full of imaginative realists and being pragmatists I am pretty sure we is going to get banned for flat earth heresy sooner or later if they have their way.
The 'consensus' is that the earth is round, but none of the people on this board have ever been into space and so are just relying on so-called 'scientists' who tell them that the earth is not flat. We're sick of 'experts' telling us what we should believe! Grr.
The round-earthers on here just sit in this "echo-chamber" forum, patting themselves on the back and not lifting their heads up to see the truth. Literally, the truth is out there, just look out of the window - is the land around you curved??

Look with your eyes, don't believe the scientists doing years of research in their chosen fields! Listen to the plumbers, bricklayers or a 'lawyer and accountant who's devoted the last four decades to advising entrepreneurs on corporate finance' who post on youtube or blogs and have a readership in their 10s and perhaps 100s of people. THAT'S who we need to start getting our factual scientific information from!!
Blah, scientists, blah 'consensus!'

All views are welcome on this thread as long as you keep it polite. The intention is however that the post should in some way be related to green energy. It looks like we have a troll. 

I note your point however about who we should listen to. I did read with interest the credentials of the author (which CleanTechnica publish at the foot of the article) of a link referenced on the G&E thread recently:
Johnna Crider is a Baton Rouge artist, gem, and mineral collector, member of the International Gem Society, and a Tesla shareholder who believes in Elon Musk and Tesla. Elon Musk advised her in 2018 to “Believe in Good.” Tesla is one of many good things to believe in. You can find Johnna on Twitter

That’s the great thing about CleanTechnica, (one of the sources most commonly quoted on the G&E news thread) it doesn’t matter what your credentials are, as long as you have something positive to say about RE and/or something negative to say about fossil fuels it seems you can post on there. 

Edit: I forgot for a moment Zac and Jesse’s Tesla Youtube channel which also used to figure regularly with their wonderful conspiracy theories. How we miss those. 

Their opinion pieces are on the same level as Business Insider or seeking alpha. Can be a bit hit or miss.

Pile_o_stone

JKenH said:

Pile_o_stone said:

I had a skim through this https://www.tfes.org/ (The flat earth Society).

The problem is that this board is full of imaginative realists and being pragmatists I am pretty sure we is going to get banned for flat earth heresy sooner or later if they have their way.
The 'consensus' is that the earth is round, but none of the people on this board have ever been into space and so are just relying on so-called 'scientists' who tell them that the earth is not flat. We're sick of 'experts' telling us what we should believe! Grr.
The round-earthers on here just sit in this "echo-chamber" forum, patting themselves on the back and not lifting their heads up to see the truth. Literally, the truth is out there, just look out of the window - is the land around you curved??

Look with your eyes, don't believe the scientists doing years of research in their chosen fields! Listen to the plumbers, bricklayers or a 'lawyer and accountant who's devoted the last four decades to advising entrepreneurs on corporate finance' who post on youtube or blogs and have a readership in their 10s and perhaps 100s of people. THAT'S who we need to start getting our factual scientific information from!!
Blah, scientists, blah 'consensus!'

All views are welcome on this thread as long as you keep it polite. The intention is however that the post should in some way be related to green energy. It looks like we have a troll. 

I note your point however about who we should listen to. I did read with interest the credentials of the author (which CleanTechnica publish at the foot of the article) of a link referenced on the G&E thread recently:
Johnna Crider is a Baton Rouge artist, gem, and mineral collector, member of the International Gem Society, and a Tesla shareholder who believes in Elon Musk and Tesla. Elon Musk advised her in 2018 to “Believe in Good.” Tesla is one of many good things to believe in. You can find Johnna on Twitter

That’s the great thing about CleanTechnica, (one of the sources most commonly quoted on the G&E news thread) it doesn’t matter what your credentials are, as long as you have something positive to say about RE and/or something negative to say about fossil fuels it seems you can post on there. 

Edit: I forgot for a moment Zac and Jesse’s Tesla Youtube channel which also used to figure regularly with their wonderful conspiracy theories. How we miss those. 

I haven't seen any favourable articles in Cleantechica about flat earth so I am going to never go on that web site but I WILL disparage everything on there. I only read posts that back up the flat earth reality, especially if the posts or articles are made by people with a financial vested interest in maintaining the flat-earth status quo. 

The people I dislike most are those people who claim the earth is round, even though they gain nothing financially from it. Indeed some of them actually lose money because they replace their cheap maps with expensive globes. We should only listen to people who back our FE opinion and gain financially by doing so! I notice a lot of flat earth contributors come from cartography companies worried about their 2D maps being replaced by globes, but this is just a coincidence! Look away, nothing to see here!!

i also will go onto 'round earth' forums and push my unwelcome opinions on people who just want to left alone to talk about globes. I realise that there are so many other places I could push my flat earth agenda but I wasn't given enough attention by my parents and so I gain it now an an adult by disrupting the global earth forums. 

JKenH

With a significant proportion of Germany’s wind power being exported one wonders how much political appetite there will be for further green initiatives. 

Analysts warned earlier this year that the balance on Germany's green energy account looked set to fall significantly due to the coronavirus crisis's dampening effects on power prices, which means that operators require a greater share in support payments in order to achieve their guaranteed remuneration for renewable power production.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germanys-green-energy-account-slips-red-power-prices-tumble

JKenH

Meanwhile extended support is being called for to keep existing German turbines spinning. I have previously questioned the viability of old renewables tech in the investment thread. There is a real possibility that we will soon see stranded assets in this sector as we are doing with fossils. Should the response be to extend these subsidies indefinitely or apply some tough love - ditch the old tech and build more efficient new tech?

The price drop on electricity markets due to the coronavirus pandemic has led to calls for extending Germany's renewable energy support for wind turbines that are poised to fall out of the scheme in 2021, as low power prices mean many installations can no longer be operated at a profit and would have to be decommissioned.

Energy provider Naturstrom says about 5,000 onshore turbines with a total capacity of 3.7 gigawatts (GW) are at risk of being taken offline next year. "Due to the coronavirus-induced crash on electricity markets, the operation of installations is hardly economically viable even at the most ideal locations," the company says.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/coronavirus-induced-power-price-drop-prompts-calls-extending-germanys-renewables-support

ABrass

JKenH said:

Meanwhile extended support is being called for to keep existing German turbines spinning. I have previously questioned the viability of old renewables tech in the investment thread. There is a real possibility that we will soon see stranded assets in this sector as we are doing with fossils. Should the response be to extend these subsidies indefinitely or apply some tough love - ditch the old tech and build more efficient new tech?

The price drop on electricity markets due to the coronavirus pandemic has led to calls for extending Germany's renewable energy support for wind turbines that are poised to fall out of the scheme in 2021, as low power prices mean many installations can no longer be operated at a profit and would have to be decommissioned.

Energy provider Naturstrom says about 5,000 onshore turbines with a total capacity of 3.7 gigawatts (GW) are at risk of being taken offline next year. "Due to the coronavirus-induced crash on electricity markets, the operation of installations is hardly economically viable even at the most ideal locations," the company says.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/coronavirus-induced-power-price-drop-prompts-calls-extending-germanys-renewables-support

At less than 1MW on average and 20 years or more old they're probably not economical to maintain.

Swapping them out with fewer modern turbines with higher rating and higher CF would be a more efficient use of the space and power connections. We've seen that over recent years in various markets. Location and grid connection are the hardest challenges for Wind, those spots arent going to stand idle.

Pile_o_stone

JKenH said:

With a significant proportion of Germany’s wind power being exported one wonders how much political appetite there will be for further green initiatives. 

Analysts warned earlier this year that the balance on Germany's green energy account looked set to fall significantly due to the coronavirus crisis's dampening effects on power prices, which means that operators require a greater share in support payments in order to achieve their guaranteed remuneration for renewable power production.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/germanys-green-energy-account-slips-red-power-prices-tumble

Probably more appetite than now. Whether you like it or not the green lobby has won the war and so governments are committed to implementing green energy solutions, regardless of short-term impacts from viruses or oil price fluctuations.