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Magnitio

JKenH said:

So is this the middle ground that might finally bring some consensus betweenh “deniers” and “zealots”? Bill Gates is no idiot. Perhaps he can steer us along that middle ground between business as usual and regime change. Hyperbole hasn’t worked - will common sense?

Bill Gates says climate crisis won’t cause ‘humanity’s demise’ in call to shift focus to ‘improving lives’

In the note on Monday, Gates said: “Although climate change will have serious consequences – particularly for people in the poorest countries – it will not lead to humanity’s demise. People will be able to live and thrive in most places on Earth for the foreseeable future.”

He said the Cop30 climate summit, which will bring together world leaders in the Brazilian rainforest city of Belém in November, was “a chance to refocus on the metric that should count even more than emissions and temperature change: improving lives”.

“Although climate change will hurt poor people more than anyone else, for the vast majority of them it will not be the only or even the biggest threat to their lives and welfare,” Gates wrote.

“The biggest problems are poverty and disease, just as they always have been. Understanding this will let us focus our limited resources on interventions that will have the greatest impact for the most vulnerable people.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/28/bill-gates-climate-crisis-pivot

I’m sure the people of Jamaica will be delighted to hear this news from Bill.

JKenH

Magnitio said:

JKenH said:

So is this the middle ground that might finally bring some consensus betweenh “deniers” and “zealots”? Bill Gates is no idiot. Perhaps he can steer us along that middle ground between business as usual and regime change. Hyperbole hasn’t worked - will common sense?

Bill Gates says climate crisis won’t cause ‘humanity’s demise’ in call to shift focus to ‘improving lives’

In the note on Monday, Gates said: “Although climate change will have serious consequences – particularly for people in the poorest countries – it will not lead to humanity’s demise. People will be able to live and thrive in most places on Earth for the foreseeable future.”

He said the Cop30 climate summit, which will bring together world leaders in the Brazilian rainforest city of Belém in November, was “a chance to refocus on the metric that should count even more than emissions and temperature change: improving lives”.

“Although climate change will hurt poor people more than anyone else, for the vast majority of them it will not be the only or even the biggest threat to their lives and welfare,” Gates wrote.

“The biggest problems are poverty and disease, just as they always have been. Understanding this will let us focus our limited resources on interventions that will have the greatest impact for the most vulnerable people.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/28/bill-gates-climate-crisis-pivot

I’m sure the people of Jamaica will be delighted to hear this news from Bill.

Thank you. Yes, the reporting about Hurricane Melissa illustrates the point Bill Gates is making. We don’t know the final death toll yet from Melissa but an hour ago BBC put it at 28. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e34p92q0vo The Caribbean has always had hurricanes and always will. Yes, for those affected, those 28 deaths, are tragic but are you aware that in 2024 Dengue Fever killed 9,875 people in Latin America and the Caribbean? Do the BBC and MSM remind us every day us about that like they do with climate change? The media coverage given to Melissa, and the lack of reporting about Dengue Fever demonstrates how those pushing world governments to focus on climate change are failing to recognise and indeed driving resources away from the vastly greater number of deaths from disease.

How many more lives could we save by redirecting some of the billions being spent on climate change policies into providing better medical care to those in third world countries?

So, yes, maybe the people of Jamaica will actually be delighted to hear this news from Bill Gates. 

Alnat1

JKenH said:

Magnitio said:

JKenH said:

So is this the middle ground that might finally bring some consensus betweenh “deniers” and “zealots”? Bill Gates is no idiot. Perhaps he can steer us along that middle ground between business as usual and regime change. Hyperbole hasn’t worked - will common sense?

Bill Gates says climate crisis won’t cause ‘humanity’s demise’ in call to shift focus to ‘improving lives’

In the note on Monday, Gates said: “Although climate change will have serious consequences – particularly for people in the poorest countries – it will not lead to humanity’s demise. People will be able to live and thrive in most places on Earth for the foreseeable future.”

He said the Cop30 climate summit, which will bring together world leaders in the Brazilian rainforest city of Belém in November, was “a chance to refocus on the metric that should count even more than emissions and temperature change: improving lives”.

“Although climate change will hurt poor people more than anyone else, for the vast majority of them it will not be the only or even the biggest threat to their lives and welfare,” Gates wrote.

“The biggest problems are poverty and disease, just as they always have been. Understanding this will let us focus our limited resources on interventions that will have the greatest impact for the most vulnerable people.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/28/bill-gates-climate-crisis-pivot

I’m sure the people of Jamaica will be delighted to hear this news from Bill.

Thank you. that comment perfectly illustrates the point Bill Gates is making. We don’t know the final death toll yet from Melissa but an hour ago BBC put it at 28. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e34p92q0vo The Caribbean has always had hurricanes and always will. Yes, for those affected, those 28 deaths, are tragic but are you aware that in 2024 Dengue Fever killed 9,875 people in Latin America and the Caribbean? Do the BBC and MSM tell us about that? The media coverage given to Melissa, and the lack of reporting about Dengue Fever demonstrates how those pushing world governments to focus on climate change are failing to recognise and indeed driving resources away from the vastly greater number of deaths from disease.

How many more lives could we save by redirecting some of the billions being spent on climate change policies into providing better medical care to those in third world countries?

So, yes, maybe the people of Jamaica will actually be delighted to hear this news from Bill Gates. 

How much disease and illness will be caused in Jamaica by the damage to power, water and sanitation networks, caused by Melissa? Not to mention the damaged and destroyed homes, hospitals and other necessary public buildings?

JKenH

Alnat1 said:

JKenH said:

Magnitio said:

JKenH said:

So is this the middle ground that might finally bring some consensus betweenh “deniers” and “zealots”? Bill Gates is no idiot. Perhaps he can steer us along that middle ground between business as usual and regime change. Hyperbole hasn’t worked - will common sense?

Bill Gates says climate crisis won’t cause ‘humanity’s demise’ in call to shift focus to ‘improving lives’

In the note on Monday, Gates said: “Although climate change will have serious consequences – particularly for people in the poorest countries – it will not lead to humanity’s demise. People will be able to live and thrive in most places on Earth for the foreseeable future.”

He said the Cop30 climate summit, which will bring together world leaders in the Brazilian rainforest city of Belém in November, was “a chance to refocus on the metric that should count even more than emissions and temperature change: improving lives”.

“Although climate change will hurt poor people more than anyone else, for the vast majority of them it will not be the only or even the biggest threat to their lives and welfare,” Gates wrote.

“The biggest problems are poverty and disease, just as they always have been. Understanding this will let us focus our limited resources on interventions that will have the greatest impact for the most vulnerable people.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/28/bill-gates-climate-crisis-pivot

I’m sure the people of Jamaica will be delighted to hear this news from Bill.

Thank you. that comment perfectly illustrates the point Bill Gates is making. We don’t know the final death toll yet from Melissa but an hour ago BBC put it at 28. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e34p92q0vo The Caribbean has always had hurricanes and always will. Yes, for those affected, those 28 deaths, are tragic but are you aware that in 2024 Dengue Fever killed 9,875 people in Latin America and the Caribbean? Do the BBC and MSM tell us about that? The media coverage given to Melissa, and the lack of reporting about Dengue Fever demonstrates how those pushing world governments to focus on climate change are failing to recognise and indeed driving resources away from the vastly greater number of deaths from disease.

How many more lives could we save by redirecting some of the billions being spent on climate change policies into providing better medical care to those in third world countries?

So, yes, maybe the people of Jamaica will actually be delighted to hear this news from Bill Gates. 

How much disease and illness will be caused in Jamaica by the damage to power, water and sanitation networks, caused by Melissa? Not to mention the damaged and destroyed homes, hospitals and other necessary public buildings?

Yes, there will probably be illness and disease but I doubt that water and sanitation networks will be that badly affected as they tend to be underground. Hurricanes happen regularly in the Caribbean causing widespread damage, this one was more severe than normal but my point is some people have such tunnel vision when it comes to climate change that they cannot accept there are other more pressing issues for much of the world’s population.

thevilla

JKenH said:

Alnat1 said:

JKenH said:

Magnitio said:

JKenH said:

So is this the middle ground that might finally bring some consensus betweenh “deniers” and “zealots”? Bill Gates is no idiot. Perhaps he can steer us along that middle ground between business as usual and regime change. Hyperbole hasn’t worked - will common sense?

Bill Gates says climate crisis won’t cause ‘humanity’s demise’ in call to shift focus to ‘improving lives’

In the note on Monday, Gates said: “Although climate change will have serious consequences – particularly for people in the poorest countries – it will not lead to humanity’s demise. People will be able to live and thrive in most places on Earth for the foreseeable future.”

He said the Cop30 climate summit, which will bring together world leaders in the Brazilian rainforest city of Belém in November, was “a chance to refocus on the metric that should count even more than emissions and temperature change: improving lives”.

“Although climate change will hurt poor people more than anyone else, for the vast majority of them it will not be the only or even the biggest threat to their lives and welfare,” Gates wrote.

“The biggest problems are poverty and disease, just as they always have been. Understanding this will let us focus our limited resources on interventions that will have the greatest impact for the most vulnerable people.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/28/bill-gates-climate-crisis-pivot

I’m sure the people of Jamaica will be delighted to hear this news from Bill.

Thank you. that comment perfectly illustrates the point Bill Gates is making. We don’t know the final death toll yet from Melissa but an hour ago BBC put it at 28. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e34p92q0vo The Caribbean has always had hurricanes and always will. Yes, for those affected, those 28 deaths, are tragic but are you aware that in 2024 Dengue Fever killed 9,875 people in Latin America and the Caribbean? Do the BBC and MSM tell us about that? The media coverage given to Melissa, and the lack of reporting about Dengue Fever demonstrates how those pushing world governments to focus on climate change are failing to recognise and indeed driving resources away from the vastly greater number of deaths from disease.

How many more lives could we save by redirecting some of the billions being spent on climate change policies into providing better medical care to those in third world countries?

So, yes, maybe the people of Jamaica will actually be delighted to hear this news from Bill Gates. 

How much disease and illness will be caused in Jamaica by the damage to power, water and sanitation networks, caused by Melissa? Not to mention the damaged and destroyed homes, hospitals and other necessary public buildings?

Yes, there will probably be illness and disease but I doubt that water and sanitation networks will be that badly affected as they tend to be underground. Hurricanes happen regularly in the Caribbean causing widespread damage, this one was more severe than normal but my point is some people have such tunnel vision when it comes to climate change that they cannot accept there are other more pressing issues for much of the world’s population.

Is COP to right forum for "improving lives"?  Surely the UN is the place and has more appropriate forums.

Is Bill suggesting that the billions of dollars being invested in RE was taken from the budget for global health?  I very much doubt that's true.  The global poor have always been neglected by the west and suggesting we switch investment from RE is just another way of maintaining the fossil industry.  More oil, less RE and oh.  Sorry no money for the poor again.  The vocal anti RE brigade tend to be on the right and foreign aid doesn't seem a priority for them.  USAID is a shocking example.

Once we've stopped trying to slow climate change what happens?  It doesn't stop and say 'good try'.  CO2 increases to ever more dangerous levels.  At what point in the slow moving disaster do we try again?  Mitigation costs will increase until the planet is bankrupt.  That leaves little for "improving lives".

RE is actually improving lives for the poor.  Solar PV is the cheapest electrical generation and is penetrating where grid supplies have never ventured.  It is also keeping a lid on rampant fossil demand increases which would otherwise have driven prices higher.  The poor would be left out again.

JKenH

Here is the full text of Bill Gates’s submission to COP30. I don’t see Gates as part of the vocal anti- RE brigade.

https://www.gatesnotes.com/three-tough-truths-about-climate

michaels

JKenH said:

Magnitio said:

JKenH said:

So is this the middle ground that might finally bring some consensus betweenh “deniers” and “zealots”? Bill Gates is no idiot. Perhaps he can steer us along that middle ground between business as usual and regime change. Hyperbole hasn’t worked - will common sense?

Bill Gates says climate crisis won’t cause ‘humanity’s demise’ in call to shift focus to ‘improving lives’

In the note on Monday, Gates said: “Although climate change will have serious consequences – particularly for people in the poorest countries – it will not lead to humanity’s demise. People will be able to live and thrive in most places on Earth for the foreseeable future.”

He said the Cop30 climate summit, which will bring together world leaders in the Brazilian rainforest city of Belém in November, was “a chance to refocus on the metric that should count even more than emissions and temperature change: improving lives”.

“Although climate change will hurt poor people more than anyone else, for the vast majority of them it will not be the only or even the biggest threat to their lives and welfare,” Gates wrote.

“The biggest problems are poverty and disease, just as they always have been. Understanding this will let us focus our limited resources on interventions that will have the greatest impact for the most vulnerable people.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/28/bill-gates-climate-crisis-pivot

I’m sure the people of Jamaica will be delighted to hear this news from Bill.

Thank you. Yes, the reporting about Hurricane Melissa illustrates the point Bill Gates is making. We don’t know the final death toll yet from Melissa but an hour ago BBC put it at 28. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e34p92q0vo The Caribbean has always had hurricanes and always will. Yes, for those affected, those 28 deaths, are tragic but are you aware that in 2024 Dengue Fever killed 9,875 people in Latin America and the Caribbean? Do the BBC and MSM remind us every day us about that like they do with climate change? The media coverage given to Melissa, and the lack of reporting about Dengue Fever demonstrates how those pushing world governments to focus on climate change are failing to recognise and indeed driving resources away from the vastly greater number of deaths from disease.

How many more lives could we save by redirecting some of the billions being spent on climate change policies into providing better medical care to those in third world countries?

So, yes, maybe the people of Jamaica will actually be delighted to hear this news from Bill Gates. 

Interesting point.  As you are aware climate change is allowing malaria carrying mosquitos to make inroads into Europe.

JKenH

I suspect Bill Gates is. Malaria gets five mentions in his submission. He has through his foundation made eliminating malaria a top priority.