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Maybe Eon is still holding out? I can't find anything to say that they are participating this winter.Reed0
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I was having a look for DFS operators as potentially with our V2H and smart meter export finally being readable (it wasn't last winter) we could have made a lot of money under the old rules but couldn't find any I thought worth signing up to (we are not supplied by Octopus so can't go with them)
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JKenH said:Telegraph article reporting a fall off in participation in ‘saving sessions’. I took part in all last year’s saving sessions but decided this year it wasn’t worth the effort.
Net zero target at risk as households drop out of electricity rationing scheme
Participation plunges after payments on offer to those avoiding peak energy hours fall dramatically
In a plan published on Friday, the Government says this will be achieved by using “smart” devices to shift demand from electric car chargers, heat pumps and other appliances such as fridges and washing machines outside of peak hours.
But despite the policy implying that many millions of consumers will need to sign up in the coming years, participation in the country’s flagship flexibility scheme has gone into reverse – having more than halved this winter, figures provided to The Telegraph show.
At this time last year, more than 2m consumers had signed up to the so-called demand flexibility service.
But today the figure stands at about 750,000, a drop of about 62pc, according to the National Energy System Operator (Neso), which manages Britain’s power grid.
It follows a decision to slash the payments offered to customers by as much as 90pc.
Energy industry insiders said the decision had dented the attractiveness of the scheme, leading to a lacklustre take-up from most suppliers.
Octopus Energy, Britain’s biggest electricity supplier with around 6.8m customers, accounts for 740,000 or about 99pc of sign-ups this year – a total almost entirely made up of households rather than businesses. That was also down from around one million the company signed up last year.
Kieron Stopforth, of Octopus Energy, warned that the rewards offered to consumers had fallen off “quite a steep cliff” this winter.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/15/net-zero-target-threatened-electricity-rationing-scheme/
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thevilla said:Reed_Richards said:I'm with Eon Next. Unlike in previous years, they haven't approached me to sign-up. is the problem perhaps a lack of participation by some energy companies this year?According to the octopus email on the subject even they were late to participate as they were holding out for a better deal."We'd been holding out for better value"Solar install June 2022, Bath
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Yep I lost all interest at. '
Net zero target at risk as households drop out of electricity rationing scheme
It's worrying how many people continue to read this can of rag and presumably taken in by it.Install 28th Nov 15, 3.3kW, (11x300LG), SolarEdge, SW. W Yorks.
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JKenH said:Edit: sorry I had to break off. If there end up being 30 million EVs averaging 22 miles a day then at around 3 mpkWh at this time of year will add 220 GWh of demand. If just half charge overnight (say midnight to 7am) that adds over 15GW to demand.
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silverwhistle said:JKenH said:Edit: sorry I had to break off. If there end up being 30 million EVs averaging 22 miles a day then at around 3 mpkWh at this time of year will add 220 GWh of demand. If just half charge overnight (say midnight to 7am) that adds over 15GW to demand.
I assumed that as most drivers are keen to be able to exploit cheap charging rates they will charge overnight when the rates are cheap concentrating charging into the early hours (say midnight to 5am). Perhaps half charging overnight is an underestimate.
Sorry, if my figure of 22 miles per day is incorrect. This article suggests it was a reasonable stab at an average EV mileage.
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/ev-mileages-increase-as-petrol-and-diesel-vehicles-drive-fewer
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Exiled_Tyke said:Yep I lost all interest at. '
Net zero target at risk as households drop out of electricity rationing scheme
It's worrying how many people continue to read this can of rag and presumably taken in by it.
Millions can get free electricity on one day regardless of supplierI think....0 -
I came across this videoWhich describes the amount of electricity used to drill and refine oil. It's US focused but still partially relevant here. When we're all using EVs we'll probably have plenty spare.4.7kwp PV split equally N and S 20° 2016.Givenergy AIO (2024)Seat Mii electric (2021). MG4 Trophy (2024).1.2kw Ripple Kirk Hill. 0.6kw Derril Water.Whitelaw Bay 0.2kwVaillant aroTHERM plus 5kW ASHP (2025)Gas supply capped (2025)1
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JKenH said:silverwhistle said:JKenH said:Edit: sorry I had to break off. If there end up being 30 million EVs averaging 22 miles a day then at around 3 mpkWh at this time of year will add 220 GWh of demand. If just half charge overnight (say midnight to 7am) that adds over 15GW to demand.
I assumed that as most drivers are keen to be able to exploit cheap charging rates they will charge overnight when the rates are cheap concentrating charging into the early hours (say midnight to 5am). Perhaps half charging overnight is an underestimate.
Sorry, if my figure of 22 miles per day is incorrect. This article suggests it was a reasonable stab at an average EV mileage.
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/ev-mileages-increase-as-petrol-and-diesel-vehicles-drive-fewerI think....0
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