Labours pension threat - daily express

nigelbb

zagfles wrote: »

The trouble is most Brexiteers wouldn't regard maintaining the customs union as a "proper" Brexit, so to them it would just be a choice of 2 types of Remain. Lots didn't even regard Theresa May's deal as a proper Brexit.

Labour's referendum would solve nothing.

Unfortunately for Brexiteers that’s the way democracy works. Unless the Tories get a mandate for their hard Brexit then another referendum will be held which Labour say will be legally binding unlike the advisory 2016 referendum.

[Deleted User]

Here is what I don’t get... Election. You can have a clear policy on Brexit. Two parties do. How is that not a referendum? Why does one need yet another negotiation followed by yet another referendum?

My personal view is that Lib Dems are right, but if you really want Brexit then Boris’s Tories are the answer to your prayers. Votes give the mandate.

The only plausible reason why Corbyn is offering a referendum is because he wants Brexit but different terms (e g so he can nationalize without compensation). Either that, or he is too scared to put off some of the electorate by having a position. Otherwise he would have just said “vote for me and you get Remain” and this election will be the mandate”.

Further extending uncertainty will be damaging to the economy, but then again... If Corbyn becomes PM it will be so damaged that the Brexit saga will become a secondary issue.

While hypothetically I do stand to benefit from Corbyn’s state pension pledge in the manifesto, the value of pound would drop so much that it would become an irrelevance

cloud_dog

nigelbb wrote: »

They can’t give a recommendation until they have negotiated a new & better deal without the Tory red lines on customs union etc. It would be like a football agent asking his client to sign a contract with a new club before the salary has been agreed.

Of course they can. Don't be politically naive or biased.

What they have proposed is basically staying within the Union, why not just come out and state that.

This election is a nightmare. We have Boris who cannot be trusted, Corbyn who, well, cannot be trusted (but for different reasons) and the Liberals who have no realistic chance, other than potentially having a swing vote in a hung parliament.

SmashedAvacado

Look at the policy not the people

Conservative - take us out of Europe which will harm the economy
Labour - leave us in Europe but 1000 other policies that stifle business and harm the economy

Oh for a Tony Blair type centre left party that was socially conscious but realistic about the need to keep the private sector wheels of industry turning.

fifer60

A read of this document will be of interest.

*** labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change-2019.pdf ***

While not generally relevant for pensions, check out the proposal for capital gains.

There is no mention of any indexation proposal.

JoeEngland

SmashedAvacado wrote: »

Look at the policy not the people

Conservative - take us out of Europe which will harm the economy
Labour - leave us in Europe but 1000 other policies that stifle business and harm the economy

Oh for a Tony Blair type centre left party that was socially conscious but realistic about the need to keep the private sector wheels of industry turning.

Aren't the Lib Dems a centre left party?

Spreadsheetman

fifer60 wrote: »

A read of this document will be of interest.

*** labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change-2019.pdf ***

While not generally relevant for pensions, check out the proposal for capital gains.

There is no mention of any indexation proposal.

Maybe not such a big problem as handily the effect of a majority labour government on the economy would mean that there will be no capital gains to tax... :doh:

Thrugelmir

JoeEngland wrote: »

Aren't the Lib Dems a centre left party?

The SDP is reborn in yet another reincarnation......

Until it splits again.

zagfles

nigelbb wrote: »

Unfortunately for Brexiteers that’s the way democracy works. Unless the Tories get a mandate for their hard Brexit then another referendum will be held which Labour say will be legally binding unlike the advisory 2016 referendum.

Well of course. That's the point - many/most Brexiteers won't be persuaded to vote Labour because to them, Labour aren't offering any chance of what they see as "Brexit".

[Deleted User]

NHS is going bust. I blame Tory mismanagement. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7716123/Jeremy-Corbyns-sons-firm-goes-liquidation-owing-100-000.html

P.S. the guy who put his pension money into this needs his head checking. Who does that???