Diesel cars in Bristol

LiamTLOU

AdrianC wrote: »

ALL new cars are Euro6, and have been since 2014. But the Bristol ban will also exclude Euro6 diesels.

Diesels have historically given better fuel consumption, but worse toxic exhaust gases - originally particulates (soot). When that was sorted out, the changes increased Nitrogen oxides (NOx). Euro 6 brought the maximum NOx values for diesels in line with where they were for petrols at Euro4, hence where the London ULEZ draws the lines.

City centres are only going to bring in more and more traffic restrictions. Will many be as harsh as Bristol? Probably not. But it's not a big area, and one that's easy to work around.

Any new car is going to depreciate sharply. If you want to future-proof your purchase as much as possible, go plugin - either hybrid or ev. But tech chances there may render the current stock less desirable...

I remember you calling me boring for wanting a Seat Ateca FR. Test drove it and nearly died; it was boring.

So I test drove some more cars and ended up deciding on the 435d. I'm not worried about the natural depreciation, it's more if they are going to be something that people will be less interested in, and therefore harder to shift when I'm done with it because of possible future restrictions. But as someone said, it hasn't been passed through parliament yet so fingers crossed.

Anyway, interesting to hear your opinion. Don't think I can hack getting a Hybrid/ Electric just yet though. I'm starting to slightly sway towards the 440i. Back to the drawing board I suppose.

AdrianC

LiamTLOU wrote: »

I remember you calling me boring for wanting a Seat Ateca FR. Test drove it and nearly died; it was boring.

<raises eyebrows>
<looks back through post history>
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6000645/20k-car-21
No, I didn't use that word. Other posters did come close. I merely called it a soft-roader Golf-on-stilts. Which it is.

I'm not worried about the natural depreciation, it's more if they are going to be something that people will be less interested in, and therefore harder to shift when I'm done with it because of possible future restrictions. But as someone said, it hasn't been passed through parliament yet so fingers crossed.

Emission zones are localised. They won't be going national any time soon. Plenty of people don't drive into those very city-central areas, and they're easy to work-around on occasional visits.

Brizzle's my nearest big city. In the six and a half years we've lived in this part of the country, I've driven into the area likely to be affected three times. It won't be hard to park just outside instead, and use public transport. It won't affect my car-buying choices.

Anyway, if you've got your heart set on a 3-series hatchback, but are worried about diesels falling out of favour, why not just get one that's petrol...?

motorguy

Why not buy a 435i instead of a 435d?

Granted it will use more fuel, but the car itself will be significantly cheaper to buy in the first instance.

LiamTLOU

AdrianC wrote: »

<raises eyebrows>
<looks back through post history>
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6000645/20k-car-21
No, I didn't use that word. Other posters did come close. I merely called it a soft-roader Golf-on-stilts. Which it is.


Emission zones are localised. They won't be going national any time soon. Plenty of people don't drive into those very city-central areas, and they're easy to work-around on occasional visits.

Brizzle's my nearest big city. In the six and a half years we've lived in this part of the country, I've driven into the area likely to be affected three times. It won't be hard to park just outside instead, and use public transport. It won't affect my car-buying choices.

Anyway, if you've got your heart set on a 3-series hatchback, but are worried about diesels falling out of favour, why not just get one that's petrol...?

It was the line "while the kind of similarly young driver boring enough to want a soft-roader"
I wasn't/ am not offended, I found it quite funny

The 435d is more efficient and has more torque. I was looking for a car that was pokey but also had at least some sort of efficiency to it and the 435d was perfect, even when looking into the real world MPG you tend to get out of it *subject to driving style and conditions*

The 440i has less efficiency and less torque, but i know the engine sounds better. Car wise I'd enjoy the 435d the most, but I'm just trying to be as sensible as I can be in this situation, whereby the situation itself is fundamentally considered "not very sensible"...

The 435d sounds the better option for me personally, the only consideration for the 440i is it isn't apart of the diesel stigma, and as of right now that stigma isn't bad enough to sway me. Also as you rightly said, it's very easy to get around the clean air zones. Especially since I hardly go into the centre so it doesn't even matter to me in that sense.

Maybe in 6 months time the whole clean-air situation may become more clear in its implications to diesel car prices. I suppose it just depends on the mood I'm in when it comes to buying the car. I'm known to be a tad impulsive :A

AdrianC

LiamTLOU wrote: »

It was the line "while the kind of similarly young driver boring enough to want a soft-roader"

Ah... That's the insurers' perspective, obvs.

And you really don't want to know what they'll think of your 3-series hatch.

LiamTLOU

motorguy wrote: »

Why not buy a 435i instead of a 435d?

Granted it will use more fuel, but the car itself will be significantly cheaper to buy in the first instance.

It doesn't have as much power/ torque/ efficiency as the 435d. I'd happily pay more for what you get when comparing. Though, I can only really say that when I've test driven both, and I haven't tried the 435i, so will keep it in mind.

LiamTLOU

AdrianC wrote: »

Ah... That's the insurers' perspective, obvs.

And you really don't want to know what they'll think of your 3-series hatch.

Funnily enough I did some test quotes and the 435d, if its the GC has much better quotes for me than the 435d coupe. It's weird, but I guess the GC variant is considered more "executive".... The quote being similar to what I paid on my fiesta .... !

AdrianC

"Five door hatch less likely to be smeared over scenery than equivalent 3dr coupe, say insurers" - hold the front page.

motorguy

LiamTLOU wrote: »

It doesn't have as much power/ torque/ efficiency as the 435d. I'd happily pay more for what you get when comparing. Though, I can only really say that when I've test driven both, and I haven't tried the 435i, so will keep it in mind.

Theres only a few BHP in it (which i think coming from a Fiesta you'll be hard pushed to notice), however those last few BHP are that important and saving money on the cost of it isnt relevant then theres the 440i weighing in at 326BHP rather than 309BHP.

The main advantage being you dont have a rumbly old diesel engine up front.

custardy

LiamTLOU wrote: »

I'm looking to get a BMW 435d GC next year and I live near to Bristol.

There is a new diesel ban that has been approved for 2021 for the Bristol centre and I know other places are doing/ planning on doing it too. Personally I very rarely go into Bristol itself so couldn't care less about the ban in terms of where I can drive.

While nobody can accurately predict what will happen with diesel car prices, I'm starting to wonder if I'm buying this car at a precarious time.
I'm just wondering what people think might happen, I mean I can only imagine the value will go down if the practicality of where you can drive them comes more limited.

It's annoying and I don't quite get it because a lot of diesel cars are Euro6 at this point... but I'm no expert in any of this by all means. But if someone wants to educate me on why Diesel cars are still being demonised feel free.

Fanks

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/uk-air-pollution-could-cause-36000-deaths-a-year

The reality is air pollution kills.
Admittedly diesel cars is just one part of it but still a part of it.