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MistyZ

Can you work on constructing a POPLA appeal with others who were caught out? i.e. to create one that everyone could use with just slight adjustments for individual cases?

Does anyone have photos of these A4 signs? They would be a lovely addition to a POPLA appeal! In any case, absolutely go to town on that in the signage section.

All standard sections as per the Newbies' thread will be relevant - some are copy and paste jobs that nonetheless require careful customising. But 'no landowner authority' is pretty much good to go as it is.

Pressure needs to be put on the landowner. Clearly the manager has done a great front of house Fobbing Off job. Who is above him? Who owns the place? Someone higher up needs to receive an assertive complaint insisting on cancellation signed by as many victims as possible. And the sooner that is done the better. Landowner cancellations often need persistence but they're a great solution - easier to achieve if done before POPLA.

Oh, I see the hall has a Facebook page. How about you all post on that? Just a reference to the parking debacle for now perhaps .... but enough to signal that you might have rather more to say if the PCNs are not cancelled ....

The_Deep

Please stop calling it a fine, you are making me cross..

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]It is not a fine, it is an invoice from an ex- clamper for damages for the harm they allege they suffered when you did what you did. We call it a scam. Pay them not one penny unless a judge so orders it.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP, it can cause the scammer extra costs and work.

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.[/FONT]

cinders59

Thank you all for your advice

Ralph-y

so ...... just some food for thought .......


Quote " We see Forge Fach Community Hub at the heart of the community providing a wide range of services such as: a community caf!, meeting rooms and a wide selection of learning and leisure classes to engage the community and offer them a space that is valued and supported regardless of age, gender or ability.It is a place for all the whole community to enjoy."


so when you all write in and complain .... you can quote this ...



there web site only makes this comment on parking


"Parking at Forge Fach is limited to only 24 spaces. We would strongly recommendcar sharing, and arriving in advance to ensure you are able to park nearby if our carpark is full. The side streets surroundingforge fach have spaces available, although be sure to check for ‘residents parking only’areas, or other restrictions that may apply. Please do not block any customers in their spaces or cause obstructions"


again this should be quoted.



who to contact .... well I would start with this nice sounding group of people



David Tickner, previously a Turf Accountant now enjoys a slower pace of life enjoying time with his family and visiting relatives in New Zealand. Always a smile and ready to help.
Gemma Davies, previously a business owner, now enjoys her quality time with her family and has happily found her work life balance. A friendly face and a positive attitude always awaits.
Geraint Desmond is studying counselling and as a thespian has ambitions are to star in the West End, at the moment local productions will do!!. Always willing to help and if you have any technical queries with equipment Geraint is sure to sort it out.
Ffion Evans is a busy mum to two under 5's. FFion is never happier than dealing with clients needs and making heir experience at Forge Fach as good as it can be.





so please follow all the good advice given previously, get others involved .....



don't be beaten by scamers!


good luck


Ralph:cool:

Fruitcake

cinders59 wrote: »

We all complained to the manager in charge and were just told the signs are up and to just try and appeal

Then go back mob handed with the others who were caught (park elsewhere first) and complain politely but forcefully that introducing these scammers has ruined the community the centre is supposed to support.

Tell the manager that UKPC were caught doctoring time stamps on photo' evidence last year. They have twice been temporarily been banned from obtaining keeper data from the DVLA for their disgusting and unethical behaviour.
State that the A4 signs are a breach of the BPA CoP which means they should not have been allowed to obtain keeper data.

Find out from the council if the scammers had planning permission for cameras if used, and advertising consent for the signs. Not having the latter is a criminal offence. Ask the manager the same questions and tell him/her the same. Point out that whoever employed the scammers is jointly liable and will be required to attend court if the scammers go that far, which they very often do.

Tell the manager what our MPs have said about parking scammers. Quote the comments in red from post 1 of the NEWBIES.

Set up a local Fakebook fightback group, or use Mumsnet or similar to spread the word about the scam, and how to fight it.

Complain to the centre, the council, the BPA, DVLA, and everyone's MP as well as local and national press/radio/tv. Make individual and a group complaint.

Do not pay a penny.

Everyone must complain and boycott the place until the scammers are gone.

cinders59 wrote: »

I did read up about Fines and appeals on MSE and how hard is it to appeal with POPLA if you have paid, I am just scared incase the fine goes up and up in the meantime , is it better to pay the fine and then go to POPLA as the company decided agains using the Ombudsman service in favour of POPLA

OOPS just read if you pay you cannot appeal to POPLA

You cannot pay if you win at PoPLA either. As already mentioned, get hold of a copy of the A4 sheets. They are worth their weight in gold.

cinders59

I have been in touch with the Manager of the center again, I explained the circumstances, She has asked me to send her the reference number and the date etc along with my car reg and is going to get in touch with the UKPC and see what she can do. in the meantime I am holding off, I did ask for the date of the planning for the big sign that has now been erected and for camera which they have, they caught the car going in and out total of 26mins. I have spoken to someone who had a charge and she said she was inside with her daughter in a class and the charge was dropped, but because of my grandson issues we couldnt go inside to use the toilet as he has to have a shower after so we had to leave.

So I will see what her reply will be

Fruitcake

cinders59 wrote: »

I have been in touch with the Manager of the center again, I explained the circumstances, She has asked me to send her the reference number and the date etc along with my car reg and is going to get in touch with the UKPC and see what she can do. in the meantime I am holding off, I did ask for the date of the planning for the big sign that has now been erected and for camera which they have, they caught the car going in and out total of 26mins. I have spoken to someone who had a charge and she said she was inside with her daughter in a class and the charge was dropped, but because of my grandson issues we couldnt go inside to use the toilet as he has to have a shower after so we had to leave.

So I will see what her reply will be

You must get everyone you know who uses the centre and/or has had a PCN to compain. A group fight will have a better chance of not onky getting PCNs cancelled but getting the scammers kicked out.

If permission for the signs was not granted by the council at the time then make sure the centre know this is a criminal offence and whoever employed them could be held jointly liable.

The centre staff need to understand the enormity of what they have done. As I said, get as many people as possible to complain and ensure the centre management know they have caused this problem.

This will keep happening until every victim complains long and loud enough and boycotts the place making sure the management understand why.

A community centre is for the benefit of the community, not a bunch of unregulated scammers.
Please, please make ALL the complaints that have been suggested. The alternative is to pay £100 every time you use the centre.
Do not believe for one minute that ensuring you enter your VRN on a keypad will stop this from happening again; it won't.

cinders59

I have sent an email to the local authority asking if planning permission was required and sought, a quick check showed no planning was granted.
It will take 10 days for them to send out an inspector, I am not expecting much to be honest, but we will see.

I have heard back from the center manager after stating my case again to her and she has been in touch with the UKPC and they are willing to reduce the charge to £15 but have to pay within 14 days or else it would be £100

Coupon-mad

The £15 is worth considering sadly, due to the time all this will take you to fight.

Le_Kirk

In Full and Final Settlement. Makes sure you have those words on your receipt.