Redbridge Sports Centre PCN, should the driver cut his losses?

AngryDaddyo

waamo wrote: »

Are the signs larger than the required minimum? Have they complied with POFA to transfer liability? Does the landowner contract allow them to operate as they are?

Is the land subject to byelaws? Is it relevant land? Are the signs illuminated? Was the BPA code of practice followed?

If the answer to any of those is no then you have firm grounds to appeal.

Either find out all of those and tell us or send an appeal and see what they come up with.

Thank you, I'll have a look into these important points and go from there.

KeithP

I would just send the appeal anyway.

As waamo said earlier, send the already written for you blue text template appeal easily found in post #1 of the NEWBIES thread.

Send it unchanged - no additions or alterations needed.

Send it as the keeper.

Umkomaas

AngryDaddyo wrote: »

Sorry for the confusion
Date of Incident 14/10
Date of issue 24/10

Just scraped in on the dates for the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4).

Can you tell us exactly (no paraphrasing) what it says in a paragraph that starts something like ......

'You are notified under paragraph 9(2)(b) of Schedule 4 ..... '. And a further paragraph which commences 'You are warned that if, after 28/29 days from the date given ....'?

waamo

AngryDaddyo wrote: »

Thank you, I'll have a look into these important points and go from there.

Why bother when you can just send the template and see what it flushes out?

Given a choice between cutting and pasting a template or climbing up a ladder to measure letters on signs I know which I would do.

AngryDaddyo

Umkomaas wrote: »

Just scraped in on the dates for the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4).

Can you tell us exactly (no paraphrasing) what it says in a paragraph that starts something like ......

'You are notified under paragraph 9(2)(b) of Schedule 4 ..... '. And a further paragraph which commences 'You are warned that if, after 28/29 days from the date given ....'?

waamo wrote: »

Why bother when you can just send the template and see what it flushes out?

Given a choice between cutting and pasting a template or climbing up a ladder to measure letters on signs I know which I would do.

Apologies for the delay in response.

The letter says:
(i) pay the unpaid parking charge; or
(ii) If you were not the driver of the vehicle, to notify us (in writing using the driver identification form on the reverse) of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver AND pass this Notice on to the driver.

Please be warned: That if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the Notice is given (i) the amount of the unpaid Parking Charge specified in this Notice has not been paid in full, and (ii) we do not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, we will have the right to recover from you, so much of that Parking Charge as remains unpaid.

Additional charges may be recovered from the liable party if debt recovery action or court proceedings become necessary. This notice is deemed to have been given to you on the second working day after the date of sending above.

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I've visited the site, and it was littered with signs, and I easily saw the ANPR system that took the pictures.

I want to send the template of, the PCN says I need to specify a reason for appeal. I'm not sure the driver has a reason to appeal.

Regards

waamo

AngryDaddyo wrote: »

Apologies for the delay in response.

The letter says:
(i) pay the unpaid parking charge; or
(ii) If you were not the driver of the vehicle, to notify us (in writing using the driver identification form on the reverse) of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver AND pass this Notice on to the driver.

Please be warned: That if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the Notice is given (i) the amount of the unpaid Parking Charge specified in this Notice has not been paid in full, and (ii) we do not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, we will have the right to recover from you, so much of that Parking Charge as remains unpaid.

Additional charges may be recovered from the liable party if debt recovery action or court proceedings become necessary. This notice is deemed to have been given to you on the second working day after the date of sending above.

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I've visited the site, and it was littered with signs, and I easily saw the ANPR system that took the pictures.

I want to send the template of, the PCN says I need to specify a reason for appeal. I'm not sure the driver has a reason to appeal.

Regards

The reason is you don't want to pay it. Just send the template or pay it. Your choice.

Coupon-mad

I want to send the template of, the PCN says I need to specify a reason for appeal. I'm not sure the driver has a reason to appeal.

The template gives full reasoning and does the job it needs to do.

If you are doing this online (as we recommend, not by post) then if they want you to tick a 'reason' box tick OTHER or whatever box doesn't say daft staff like 'I didn't see the signs' (NOOO!!) and thereby blabs about being the driver!