Would 4 years of Corbyn Crash the London Market?

phillw

RelievedSheff wrote: »

Are some of you actually that delusional that you believe Corbyn has even the slightest chance of being voted in

Boris thinks they have a chance, he has said so.

Malthusian wrote: »

That's genius. By that logic the NHS only treats healthy people, because after they've been treated they're not ill or injured (either that or they're dead).

So after they have treated you for a broken leg by applying a plaster cast, you're no longer injured? I wonder how they have reduced recovery times to zero.

Homeless people aren't instantly housed by their LA, the same as the NHS doesn't instantly cure people.

MobileSaver wrote: »

In my opinion the majority of people who are genuinely homeless in the UK are in that position because of their own bad decisions, whether that be crime, drugs or drink. So, yes, I am sorry if it sounds harsh but I don't care too much if more people like that become homeless.

Crime, drugs and drink are just another symptom of things that were done to them that they didn't choose. Clearly they have mental health issues, but you'd rather vilify them because then you don't feel any responsibility.

Some people "choose" to live on the streets because their mental health issues make it impossible to live within the harsh rules set by the authorities. The authorities do it on purpose to save money, they make it so uncomfortable that people disappear.

Same as how they treat ill and disabled people.

MobileSaver

phillw wrote: »

Crime, drugs and drink are just another symptom of things that were done to them that they didn't choose. ... they have mental health issues

Say what?!?! I'm sorry but just no; people need to take responsibility for their own actions and the repurcussions of those actions.

The current fad of blaming everything on mental health is getting absurd now. Too many people choose to commit crimes, do drugs and drink to excess because it's the easy thing to do.

I have little sympathy for these people but if you do then feel free to put some of them up in your spare room and donate a percentage of your monthly wage to an appropriate charity but don't expect me to do the same.

qwert_yuiop

RelievedSheff wrote: »

Are some of you actually that delusional that you believe Corbyn has even the slightest chance of being voted in and these policies coming to fruition?

All that this general election is set for is to get Boris his majority and get Brexit over and done with.

Feel free to keep dreaming the impossible dream though.

I’d say Jeremy was delighted to hear sir Nigel is putting a candidate in every constituency, wouldn’t you? Enough hard core no deal brexiteers to prevent Tory success?

FPTP - don’t you just love it?

qwert_yuiop

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Hi Dom. "Get Brexit Done" by having the next decade spent negotiating FTAs and nothing else. Can't wait.

Thank you. If brexit ever happens, expect to hear about attempts to make trade deals ( easiest ever - remember that?) to occupy the media for the rest of our lives.

Arklight

MobileSaver wrote: »

In my opinion the majority of people who are genuinely homeless in the UK are in that position because of their own bad decisions, whether that be crime, drugs or drink. So, yes, I am sorry if it sounds harsh but I don't care too much if more people like that become homeless.

It doesn't sound harsh, it mostly sounds ill informed and ignorant.

Statistically, the majority of homeless people are:

• Mentally ill
• Those who've grown up in care
• Those who have been been sexually abused in childhood
• Victims of domestic abuse
• Veterans

In other words, they aren't "people like that." They're people like you, who haven't had your good fortune.

https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/statistics/mental-health-statistics-homelessness
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/armed-forces-veterans-homeless-crime-prison-mental-health-254034
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/domestic-abuse-homelessness-crisis-partners-rough-sleeping-a8935096.html

MobileSaver

Arklight wrote: »

It doesn't sound harsh, it mostly sounds ill-informed and ignorant.

We'll have to agree to disagree, the articles you link to haven't changed my opinion.

For example, the very first link to the Mental Health Foundation (so hardly impartial!) starts off claiming 80% of homeless have mental health issues, then admits only 45% are actually diagnosed but then goes on to say that actual scientific studies only show 25%-30%.

Arklight wrote: »

In other words, they aren't "people like that." They're people like you, who haven't had your good fortune.

My good fortune? I've had the same issues, tragedies and traumas in my life that many of those you refer to have - the difference is that I didn't choose to follow a life of crime, do drugs or drink to excess as a result.

People need to take responsibility for their own actions and inactions and people like you need to stop making excuses for them.

For the avoidance of doubt, I have every sympathy for people who become homeless through no fault of their own such as ill-health or the actions of others just not those who bring it upon themselves.

Arklight

MobileSaver wrote: »

We'll have to agree to disagree, the articles you link to haven't changed my opinion.

For example, the very first link to the Mental Health Foundation (so hardly impartial!) starts off claiming 80% of homeless have mental health issues, then admits only 45% are actually diagnosed but then goes on to say that actual scientific studies only show 25%-30%.



My good fortune? I've had the same issues, tragedies and traumas in my life that many of those you refer to have - the difference is that I didn't choose to follow a life of crime, do drugs or drink to excess as a result.

People need to take responsibility for their own actions and inactions and people like you need to stop making excuses for them.

For the avoidance of doubt, I have every sympathy for people who become homeless through no fault of their own such as ill-health or the actions of others just not those who bring it upon themselves.

I suppose some closed minds will never be opened.

Maybe next time you see a homeless person, rather than hurrying past like it might be catching, ask them what their story is. You might be surprised by them, and yourself.

MobileSaver

Arklight wrote: »

I suppose some closed minds will never be opened.

I agree, I find it astonishing anyone can try to defend the taking of illegal drugs on the basis of "oh, but they had such a hard life."

Arklight

MobileSaver wrote: »

I agree, I find it astonishing anyone can try to defend the taking of illegal drugs on the basis of "oh, but they had such a hard life."

I find your pearl clutching faux righteous indignance much the same.

As usual, right wingers look at the ills in society and point the finger of blame right at the most vulnerable and least powerful.

Perhaps if you looked in your (stone) heart, you might realise that no one would actually choose to be a rough sleeper, if they had any other choice.

MobileSaver

Arklight wrote: »

Perhaps if you looked in your (stone) heart, you might realise that no one would actually choose to be a rough sleeper, if they had any other choice.

I agree but some ended up there because of other poor choices they made. If you looked in your own heart you might realise that no-one forced them to start taking illegal drugs - that's what I take issue with.