Precautions in case of a Labour win

Sailtheworld

I'm pretty sure all these silly articles about what to do in the event of a Corbyn win are sponsored by the financial services industry to create a bit of churn.

Turpinr

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/un-to-investigate-uk-over-human-rights-abuses-against-disabled-people-caused-by-welfare-reform-10478536.html

Unless I read it wrong and it actually said IDS is a nice cuddly man, he was about to be investigated when he resigned, in tears as I recall.
Boris Johnson and Brexit is my nightmare.
Johnson's been sacked twice for lying from jobs gifted to him by nepotism and Brexit is costing us many millions each.
I'm surprised the hard of spending on this site aren't having kittens on the money that's being wasted
The PM doesn't even know how many children he has

Triumph13

zagfles wrote: »

The current system can give extremists total power, not disproportionate! PR gives moderates the advantage, they can choose whether to form a coalition with parties to their left or their right. They can prevent any extremist policies being implemented, because the majority in parliament will always be against them.

It's like all the fuss about the DUPs attitude towards gay rights after the C&S agreement. Totally irrelevent, because they didn't get to influence policy in that area at all, because they're on the extreme edge.

That's why extremists like the current system. It's their only hope of getting their policies implemented.

A FPTP system is usually a good defence against extremism as the swing voters in the middle will vote for the less extreme party. When one party moves to the extremes, the other(s) are usually quick to make a grab for the centre ground. Brexit is muddying the waters this time, but Boris actually looks to be pushing a much more moderate platform than under the Cameron / Osborne years. The apparent purge of the moderates is really a purge of the remainers.
If you want an example of PR giving disproportionate power to extremists then the recent history of Israel is a good place to start.

[Deleted User]

Turpinr wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/un-to-investigate-uk-over-human-rights-abuses-against-disabled-people-caused-by-welfare-reform-10478536.html

Current UN Human Rights Council members include: Sudan, Venezuela, Qatar, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Congo and Angola.

Has there ever been a more reputable international organization?

[Deleted User]

It's a good idea to have personal control of your pension.
Then you can act to mitigate the harm caused by political upheaval.
Even the kindest Brexit will cost the UK £20 a week.
Sorry, I mean, will cost everyone in the UK £20 a week.

You can see a train coming.

penners324

How have people been sucked into NHS privatisation equalling Pay at point of use?
No party would ever dare make people pay at point of use. This doesn't rule out extensive 'privatisation' though.

penners324

I'd be more worried about TTIP being signed after Trump isn't President and if we're still in the EU.
Vastly more threatening to the NHS.

JoeCrystal

Considering how many appointments with the NHS get missed, I think it is worthwhile having a fee to pay should you missed the appointment without giving proper notice.

zagfles

Sailtheworld wrote: »

I'm pretty sure all these silly articles about what to do in the event of a Corbyn win are sponsored by the financial services industry to create a bit of churn.

No they're sponsored by the tin foil hat industry to increase sales.

zagfles

Triumph13 wrote: »

A FPTP system is usually a good defence against extremism as the swing voters in the middle will vote for the less extreme party. When one party moves to the extremes, the other(s) are usually quick to make a grab for the centre ground.

No, it means the other party can become more extreme and get away with it. Like the Tories in the 80's, and now. If there was only the choice of the Tories with the ERG in charge and Labour with Corbyn in charge, I'd vote Tory. But I'd much prefer a choice of a more centrist party, but the voting system is against the LibDems. They'll probably get 20% or so of the vote but less seats than the SNP with 4% of the vote. That's what FPTP gets you.

Brexit is muddying the waters this time, but Boris actually looks to be pushing a much more moderate platform than under the Cameron / Osborne years. The apparent purge of the moderates is really a purge of the remainers.

Or those who want a softer Brexit. Phillip Hammand voted for TM's deal three times, so the idea he still wants to remain is ridiculous. So why was he "purged"?

If you want an example of PR giving disproportionate power to extremists then the recent history of Israel is a good place to start.

Why Israel? They have particular issues we don't in Europe. How about looking at Germany, Sweden, France, Netherlands, Belgium etc, countries more like us, but which actually have a larger proportion of people who vote for extremist parties yet those extremist parties don't have a chance of getting their extremist policies implemented.

Labour have been taken over by extremists and could win a majority with little more than 30% of the vote under the FPTP system.