Money Moral Dilemma: Should I tip if other diners don't?

SRS53

Why do people tip nowadays?
The staff should be getting Min wage anyway. If not , they should either leave the job or complain.
Why should you pay the 12.5% service charge? ask they to remove it from the bill.Peopleare toooooo ashamed or shy to ask for the service charge to be removed. Its a RIP off my the restaurant / hotel industry. Tomorrow they will charge 15% then 20%!!!!

sheramber

Why just tip the waiter/waitress?

What about the chef who has cooked your meal or the person washing the dishes so you have a clean plate to eat off?

dcc251

Yes - if you had good service, you should tip. Always.
People that work in hospitality depend upon tips, whether you agree with that or not.
If others with you don't then I would suggest you ask yourself why you're going for dinner with people that don't tip. If anyone I was with didn't tip, I'd make a point of shaming them in front of everyone else and the waiter or waitress.
You'll always get some skinflint who'll try to point out that others are on minimum wage as well.
'The person on the checkout in Tesco' isn't on minimum wage at all; they get reduced rate food, they get career development, they get paid holidays, they get subsidised uniforms, they get employment stability, they get automatic pay rises, they get to sit down, they get breaks, they get protection from the drunken !!!!!! that think it's okay to treat waiters and waitresses like crap, they get to know when their shift ends, they get promotions, they get £9.30 an hour minimum, and on and on and on.
If you don't think you should tip for decent service, don't go out to restaurants.
Stay at home, invite 100 strangers in off the street, cook for them all, throw some food on the floor, get a drunken stranger to shout at you, clear everything up, and the vomit in the toilets, chase the !!!!!! that ran off without paying, break a few glasses and buy some more out of your own pocket, take the racist abuse you get because it's Christmas and the locals are on their third WKD, cut yourself on a piece of broken cutlery, burn yourself a bit on the oven and then say to yourself
Do I deserve someone to treat me nicely?

ask66

dcc251 wrote: »

Yes - if you had good service, you should tip. Always.
People that work in hospitality depend upon tips, whether you agree with that or not.
If others with you don't then I would suggest you ask yourself why you're going for dinner with people that don't tip. If anyone I was with didn't tip, I'd make a point of shaming them in front of everyone else and the waiter or waitress.
You'll always get some skinflint who'll try to point out that others are on minimum wage as well.
'The person on the checkout in Tesco' isn't on minimum wage at all; they get reduced rate food, they get career development, they get paid holidays, they get subsidised uniforms, they get employment stability, they get automatic pay rises, they get to sit down, they get breaks, they get protection from the drunken !!!!!! that think it's okay to treat waiters and waitresses like crap, they get to know when their shift ends, they get promotions, they get £9.30 an hour minimum, and on and on and on.
If you don't think you should tip for decent service, don't go out to restaurants.
Stay at home, invite 100 strangers in off the street, cook for them all, throw some food on the floor, get a drunken stranger to shout at you, clear everything up, and the vomit in the toilets, chase the !!!!!! that ran off without paying, break a few glasses and buy some more out of your own pocket, take the racist abuse you get because it's Christmas and the locals are on their third WKD, cut ourself on a piece of broken cutlery, burn yourself a bit on the oven and then say to yourself
Do I deserve someone to treat me nicely?

Don't be shy about expressing your views!

Peter_Lanky

dcc251 wrote: »

Yes - if you had good service, you should tip. Always.
People that work in hospitality depend upon tips, whether you agree with that or not.
If others with you don't then I would suggest you ask yourself why you're going for dinner with people that don't tip. If anyone I was with didn't tip, I'd make a point of shaming them in front of everyone else and the waiter or waitress.
You'll always get some skinflint who'll try to point out that others are on minimum wage as well.
'The person on the checkout in Tesco' isn't on minimum wage at all; they get reduced rate food, they get career development, they get paid holidays, they get subsidised uniforms, they get employment stability, they get automatic pay rises, they get to sit down, they get breaks, they get protection from the drunken !!!!!! that think it's okay to treat waiters and waitresses like crap, they get to know when their shift ends, they get promotions, they get £9.30 an hour minimum, and on and on and on.
If you don't think you should tip for decent service, don't go out to restaurants.
Stay at home, invite 100 strangers in off the street, cook for them all, throw some food on the floor, get a drunken stranger to shout at you, clear everything up, and the vomit in the toilets, chase the !!!!!! that ran off without paying, break a few glasses and buy some more out of your own pocket, take the racist abuse you get because it's Christmas and the locals are on their third WKD, cut ourself on a piece of broken cutlery, burn yourself a bit on the oven and then say to yourself
Do I deserve someone to treat me nicely?

It is interesting that non-tippers unanimously criticise the culture of tipping, yet many (not all) tippers, rather than defend their choice, decide to insult people who do not agree with them, or suggest that they completely change their lifestyle in order to accommodate their wishes.

This always suggest to me a lost argument.

Fishbern

Alright everyone,

We have some extreme views and opinions on this and it comes down to personal preference in the end, simple as. If you don't wan't to tip, then don't. Yet, don't chastise those who do or claim that it should not be a part of our culture. Appreciating people and hard work should be a part of ALL cultures.

I am a manager in a gastropub and we have a 10% service charge on the bill. This then gets segmented into tips for the kitchen and front of house staff. In the end it adds up to about 1-2 extra pounds per hour. That is not a tremendous amount of money, but it does add up and it does make the job worth it.
Understand that we only receive these extras when serving. It does not take into the account (like someone wrote before) the opening and closing hours put into to keep the place clean and enjoyable for you to want to come in and join us.
It is a physical job, because if my staff are doing the job right, they are busting their asses, sometimes walking up to 10-12km a day on the floor. Then I get them to scrub walls, cellars and more.

In the USA and Canada (where I am from) The minimum wage is actually less than the national living wage (by ALOT.. $8/hr and servers are making $3). This is in due because 15%+ is the norm on tipping which then allows them to be able to live off the wages and tips. Without being crude when reading this, some people enjoy serving and make it a career. They enjoy being personable and giving good service to those who want to come out and treat themselves. We are adding to the treat of an evening out that you worked hard for by making sure you are looked after.

Whether you tip or not in the UK is fine, however, I do tip when someone goes beyond what is expected. If they have the ambition to really go the extra mile, for MY enjoyment, then I show my gratitude.

Fishbern

Quickly adding that I do agree with other jobs being very tedious and tough such as the NHS care workers, I believe that the government needs to address these wages, but then it goes into the fact that we will be taxed more and people would be up in arms about that. There is so much to tackle to make the world fair, its ridiculous.

Accountant_Kerry

I would even if my friends didn't, its a cost of eating out to me that I take into consideration before I go out to eat.

Takmon

dcc251 wrote: »

Yes - if you had good service, you should tip. Always.
People that work in hospitality depend upon tips, whether you agree with that or not.
If others with you don't then I would suggest you ask yourself why you're going for dinner with people that don't tip. If anyone I was with didn't tip, I'd make a point of shaming them in front of everyone else and the waiter or waitress.
You'll always get some skinflint who'll try to point out that others are on minimum wage as well.
'The person on the checkout in Tesco' isn't on minimum wage at all; they get reduced rate food, they get career development, they get paid holidays, they get subsidised uniforms, they get employment stability, they get automatic pay rises, they get to sit down, they get breaks, they get protection from the drunken !!!!!! that think it's okay to treat waiters and waitresses like crap, they get to know when their shift ends, they get promotions, they get £9.30 an hour minimum, and on and on and on.
If you don't think you should tip for decent service, don't go out to restaurants.
Stay at home, invite 100 strangers in off the street, cook for them all, throw some food on the floor, get a drunken stranger to shout at you, clear everything up, and the vomit in the toilets, chase the !!!!!! that ran off without paying, break a few glasses and buy some more out of your own pocket, take the racist abuse you get because it's Christmas and the locals are on their third WKD, cut yourself on a piece of broken cutlery, burn yourself a bit on the oven and then say to yourself
Do I deserve someone to treat me nicely?

The tipping culture does nothing to improve the wages of people in hospitality. If you really think that hospitality workers should be paid higher wages then the solution is for their employers to pay them more.

In a lot of jobs it would be considered inappropriate to expect customers to top up your wages because you don't feel your paid enough so why should hospitality be different?

Scrapit

If they deserve a tip, tip. If not don't. More often than not it's don't. Simple enough.