SUVs Second worst polluters afte power

onwards&upwards

Very concerning figures.

You’d have to be blind not to realise how popular these cars have become in the last few years, but what can be done to get people out of them? They certainly aren’t necessary for most road users I wouldn’t have thought.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2019/oct/25/suvs-second-biggest-cause-of-emissions-rise-figures-reveal

forgotmyname

2 + 2 = 47 ???

SUV is bigger than a car so must create more CO2?

SUV is heavier than a car so must create more CO2?

SUV aerodynamics are poor so it must create more CO2?

The average mass of new cars rose 10% between 2000 and 2016 so it must be due to all the SUV's?

Nothing to do with all the safety equipment they have to fit into them these days?

What was the weight of a Focus in 2000 compared to the 2016 model, the newer Focus is 20% heavier than the older car.

The newer petrol engined Focus weighs as much as my old diesel engined Mondeo estate.

Or maybe the fact they slap the SUV badge on almost everything these days?

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I tried out the suv version of my small hatchback car and I wasn’t impressed. The ONLY advantage I could see for it was a bigger boot. It didn’t seem particularly more spacious inside the cabin apart from maybe a bit more headroom in the back.
The were lots of disadvantages though and it was pig ugly compared to my sleek 208.

facade

Statistics again.
You can prove anything with selective use of statistics.


Since something like 30% of all car sales are classed as SUVs (what the hell is an SUV anyway?) and their % share of an increasing market is increasing, obviously they will be part of any rise.


What they really ought to publish is the CO2 produced by all the petrol consumed vs all the diesel consumed- there is far more petrol consumed globally than diesel, so a no-brainer that more CO2 is going to be produced by cars!

marlot

"SUVs Second worst polluters afte power"

You're created a very misleading headline there. The table is NOT about the relative pollution, but is rather about the change in pollution.

As the publication of the source data is only couple of weeks away, it would be better to wait and see the full picture.

onwards&upwards

forgotmyname wrote: »

2 + 2 = 47 ???

SUV is bigger than a car so must create more CO2?

SUV is heavier than a car so must create more CO2?

SUV aerodynamics are poor so it must create more CO2?

The average mass of new cars rose 10% between 2000 and 2016 so it must be due to all the SUV's?

Nothing to do with all the safety equipment they have to fit into them these days?

What was the weight of a Focus in 2000 compared to the 2016 model, the newer Focus is 20% heavier than the older car.

The newer petrol engined Focus weighs as much as my old diesel engined Mondeo estate.

Or maybe the fact they slap the SUV badge on almost everything these days?

Did you read the article? I don’t think there’s any reason to disbelieve it.

onwards&upwards

facade wrote: »

Statistics again.
You can prove anything with selective use of statistics.


Since something like 30% of all car sales are classed as SUVs (what the hell is an SUV anyway?) and their % share of an increasing market is increasing, obviously they will be part of any rise.

I think you can only prove the things the statistics bear out.

Do you not agree that increasing SUV use and the trend of bigger cars is a problem for the environment?

martinthebandit

onwards&upwards wrote: »

Did you read the article? I don’t think there’s any reason to disbelieve it.

It's in the Guardian so there is certainly no reason to believe it.

onwards&upwards

marlot wrote: »

"SUVs Second worst polluters afte power"

You're created a very misleading headline there. The table is NOT about the relative pollution, but is rather about the change in pollution.

As the publication of the source data is only couple of weeks away, it would be better to wait and see the full picture.

Fair enough, I suppose I rushed that a bit, I’d edit it but I don’t think I can.

Do you have reason to believe the increase in SUVs is not a problem and that these findings are wrong?

onwards&upwards

martinthebandit wrote: »

It's in the Guardian so there is certainly no reason to believe it.

Here’s the source: https://www.iea.org/newsroom/news/2019/october/growing-preference-for-suvs-challenges-emissions-reductions-in-passenger-car-mark.html

Even if you have an irrational bias against the Guardian, hopefully you are still interested.

marlot

onwards&upwards wrote: »

Fair enough, I suppose I rushed that a bit, I’d edit it but I don’t think I can.

Do you have reason to believe the increase in SUVs is not a problem and that these findings are wrong?

I think it'll sort itself out as people move to electric cars. I think we're just about at the peak for petrol/diesel engines. As smaller electric cars have bigger ranges, people will naturally downsize a little.

From the report "the conventional car market has been showing signs of fatigue, with sales declining in 2018 and 2019, due to slowing economies. Global sales of internal combustion engine (ICE) cars fell by around 2% to under 87 million in 2018, the first drop since the 2008 recession. Data for 2019 points to a continuation of this trend, led by China, where sales in the first half of the year fell nearly 14%, and India where they declined by 10%."

Of course, there is a secondary problem, in that China and India are building loads of dirty power stations!!!