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Private Parking fine - Court letter
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IN THE COUNTY COURT[/FONT][FONT="][FONT="]CLAIM No: Removed[/FONT]
BETWEEN:[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]ParkingEye Ltd (Claimant)
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***Chin Upson*** (Defendant)[/FONT][FONT="][FONT="]DEFENCE[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
Background
1. The Defendant is the registered keeper of the vehicle in question. The Claim relates to an alleged debt in damages arising from a driver's alleged breach of contract, when parking at Crowne Plaza Stratford-Upon-Avon car park on xx/xx/19.
1.1. Any breach is denied, and it is further denied that there was any agreement to pay the Claimant's £100 'Parking Charge Notice ('PCN')'.
2. The allegation appears to be based on images by their ANPR camera at the entrance and exit to the site. This is merely an image of the vehicle in transit, entering and leaving the car park in question and is not evidence of the registered keeper 'not purchasing the appropriate parking time' or of the driver not being a patron of the Crowne Plaza Stratford-Upon-Avon.
Data Protection concerns
3. The Defendant was an occupant of the car however the Defendant had no idea about any ANPR surveillance and received no letters after the initial 'PCN' a vague document which gave no indication as to what the alleged breach actually was. No photographic evidence of the terms on signage has been supplied, not even in the postal PCN.
3.1. The Claimant is put to strict proof of any breach and of their decision-making in processing the data and the human intervention in deciding to issue a PCN and why, as well as the reasoning behind trying to collect £100 instead of the few pounds tariff, if it is their case that this sum went unpaid.
4. Under the GDPR, the Claimant is also put to strict proof regarding the reason for such excessive and intrusive data collection via ANPR surveillance cameras at a remote car park where there would likely be no cars unconnected to patrons, no trespass nor 'unauthorised' parking events.
4.1. It is one thing to install PDT machines, but quite another to run a hidden ANPR camera data stream alongside the PDT data stream, and then use one against the other, against the rights and interests of thousands of unsuspecting but circumspect visitors to the Hotel, who are being caught out regularly by this trap.
4.2. Silently collecting VRN data in order to inflate the 'parking charge' from £4 to £100 and write (weeks later) to registered keepers at their own homes - whether they were driving or not - is excessive, untimely and intrusive to registered keeper data subjects.
4.3. The Claimant will have some difficulty in justifying their hidden and unexpected terms at a site where the Defendant now learns from researching online reviews, that the Claimant has also added an unexpected and unwarranted (given the nature of the remote location) '4hr max stay' rule on top. These are not the 'brief, simple and prominently proclaimed' terms that convinced the Supreme Court in ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 to bend the penalty rule in that unique, fact-specific case only.
4.4. These concealed restrictions are misleading and excessive and tip the balance so far against visitors that there is an imbalance in the rights and interests of consumers, which is contrary to the listed Prohibitions in the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.
5. Unlike the free car park in Beavis, this Crowne Plaza car park is a site where the Claimant has machines to take payment of tariffs. Clearly there will be ParkingEye staff regularly onsite to empty the money from the machines, who could reasonably enforce parking rules with drivers face to face, whilst managing the car park fairly and ensuring that any PDT machine is clear and obvious to drivers and not a hidden 'pitfall or trap'. The ANPR cameras represent disproportionate and excessive data processing, given the nature of this location, and the Claimant's DPO is put to strict proof of its data risk assessment and compliance with the Information Commissioners Office's ANPR surveillance camera Code of Practice.
Premature claim - no Letter before Claim, and sparse Particulars
6. Due to the sparse details on the 'PCN' (taken to be a scam piece of junk mail, since it did not come from any Authority or the Police and arrived weeks later) and the equally lacking and embarrassing Particulars of Claim (POC) and the complete lack of any Letter before Claim, this Claimant afforded the Defendant no opportunity to take stock, obtain data, copy letters, and images of the contract on signage. There has been no chance to even understand the allegation, let alone discuss or dispute it prior to court action, as should have been the case under the October 2017 pre-action protocol for debt claims.
6.1. The Defendant avers that the claim was premature and the Claimant is put to strict proof of the letters they say were sent and where they were posted to, after the PCN itself, and evidence from their case status data that a Letter before Claim and attachments required under the Protocol, were issued, and when/where they were sent.
7. The Defendant requires a copy of the contract (the signage terms on the material date) and a full and detailed explanation of the cause of action and on what basis they purport to hold the Defendant liable. The POC alleges that the Defendant was 'the registered keeper and/or the driver' of the vehicle, indicating a failure to identify a Cause of Action. The Claimant is simply offering a menu of choices and failed to comply with Civil Procedure Rule 16.4, or with Civil Practice Direction 16, paras. 7.3 to 7.5. Further, the POC do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached.
Denial of contract and denial of any breach, or liability
9. Due to the sparseness of the POC it is unclear as to what legal basis the claim is brought, whether for breach of contract, contractual liability, or trespass. However, it is denied that the Defendant, or any driver of the vehicle breached any contractual agreement with the Claimant, whether express, implied, or by conduct.
10. Further and in the alternative, it is denied that the claimant's signage sets out the terms in a sufficiently clear manner which would be capable of binding any reasonable person reading them.
10.1. The Defendant avers that the signage at the site in question is woefully inadequate and extremely confusing. The small sign at the car park entrance it does not state clearly that it is affiliated with ParkingEye, is partially obscured by a much larger sign directing traffic and placed at an intersection with extremely confusing road markings. All of these combine to make this initial sign easily missed.
10.2. The ParkingEye signs within the parking area are equally as hidden and therefore misleading. Furthermore there are no clear signs that were 'bound to be seen' between where the Defendant believes the car was parked and the entrance to the Butterfly Zoo and/or the building where the Defendant paid for entry.
10.3. It is not remembered whether an occupant of the car did see a PDT machine and pay a tariff/input the VRN whilst the Defendant obtained the entry tickets, and the Defendant is none the wiser due to the lack of information from the Claimant. The PCN and POC could mean that the Claimant is suggesting the car overstayed paid for time, or even that a wrong VRN was recorded by the PDT keypad, and it is impossible for the Defendant to be certain about the alleged breach and to make an informed decision about what to say by way of defence, which puts the Defendant in a position of disadvantage.
10.4. Upon receiving this unexpected Claim, the Defendant has researched the site in order to submit a defence. One black, unlit terminal ‘box’ is placed within the carpark, and one to the side of the hotel entrance, both at very obscure and opposite extremities that are extremely easily missed. The PDT machine nearest the Hotel entrance entry is faced away from the roadside. The black PDT machine looks like an unremarkable electrical box or bin, with absolutely no distinguishing features or signage on the back and from the roadside, to associate it with parking. There is no ''Pay Here'' arrow or other prominent signpost or any 'Have you paid and displayed?' reminders as patrons enter the Crowne Plaza hotel.
No standing or authority to form contracts and/or litigate
11. The Claimant is put to strict proof that it has sufficient proprietary interest in the land, or that it has the necessary authorisation from the landowner to issue parking charge notices, and to pursue payment by means of litigation against patrons of the Crowne Plaza hotel
No 'legitimate interest' or commercial justification - Beavis is distinguished
12. With no 'legitimate interest' excuse for charging this unconscionable sum given the above facts, this Claimant is fully aware that their claim is reduced to an unrecoverable penalty and must fail. The Beavis case confirmed that the penalty rule is certainly engaged in any case of a private parking charge and was only disengaged due to the unique circumstances of that case, which do not resemble this claim. The driver has not been identified, the PDT machines and signs/terms are not prominent, the VRN data is harvested excessively by two automated but conflicting data systems and the PCN was sent very late with a 'parking charge' that bears no resemblance to the £4 'parking charge' tariff, and as such, this case is fully distinguished in all respects, from ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, where the decision turned on a legitimate interest and clear notices.
12.1. The Defendant avers that the factually-different Beavis decision confirms the assertion that this charge is unconscionable, given the signage omission at the time and the other facts of this case. To quote from the Supreme Court:
Para 108: ''But although the terms, like all standard contracts, were presented to motorists on a take it or leave it basis, they could not have been briefer, simpler or more prominently proclaimed. If you park here and stay more than two hours, you will pay £85''.
Para 199: ''What matters is that a charge of the order of £85 [...] is an understandable ingredient of a scheme serving legitimate interests. Customers using the car park agree to the scheme by doing so.''
Para 205: ''The requirement of good faith in this context is one of fair and open dealing. Openness requires that the terms should be expressed fully, clearly and legibly, containing no concealed pitfalls or traps. Appropriate prominence should be given to terms which might operate disadvantageously to the customer.''
Unconscionable, punitive 'parking charge' - again, Beavis is distinguished
13. If the 'parking charge' (the first interpretation meaning the car park tariff) was unpaid, then the sum 'owed' is a quantifiable figure. The sum 'owed' was a small tariff of some £4 according to the recent Crowne Plaza TripAdvisor reviews from people who have also been caught here by ParkingEye. Had the Defendant been clearly alerted to the sum on the day there would be no unfair penalty, and the Crowne Plaza (or landowner) would avoid any parking issues at all, including all the complaints mounting up online about ParkingEye.
13.1. Instead, this Claimant is operating a punitive unjustified and excessively data-intrusive ANPR system to their own ends, which is not transparent to consumers. A hidden 'parking charge' of £4 unexpectedly becomes an extortionate £100 bill several weeks later (described also as the 'parking charge') and yet this is not the sort of 'complex' issue with a 'compelling' commercial justification that saved the charge in Beavis from the penalty rule.
13.2. Taking the comments of the Supreme Court (and the Court of Appeal in the earlier hearing in Beavis) into account, the 'parking charge' sum owed in this case can, at most, only be £4 and there was ample opportunity to fairly collect and transparently advertise that sum on site, on the material day.
13.3. This regime in a car park that was always free until 2017 is not commercially justified, is damaging the reputation of the Crowne Plaza and driving away visitors in future, and is surely the epitome of unfairness and unconscionableness. Thus it cannot be excused from the penalty rule by any 'legitimate interest', both taking into account the GDPR data principles meaning and under the Beavis case definition. In addition to the TripAdvisor feedback, newspaper articles show that the site appears to suffer from exactly the sort of concealed 'pitfalls or traps' that the Beavis case Judges warned against:[/FONT]
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13.4. At #22, in Beavis, the Supreme Court explored Lord Dunedin's speech in Dunlop: ''as Lord Dunedin himself acknowledged, the essential question was whether the clause impugned was unconscionable or extravagant. [...] The four tests are a useful tool for deciding whether these expressions can properly be applied to simple damages clauses in standard contracts.''
13.4.1. And at #32: ''The true test is whether the impugned provision is a secondary obligation which imposes a detriment on the contract-breaker out of all proportion to any legitimate interest {of ParkingEye} [...] In the case of a straightforward damages clause, that interest will rarely extend beyond compensation for the breach, and we therefore expect that Lord Dunedin's four tests would usually be perfectly adequate to determine its validity.''
13.5. The Court will be aware that Lord Dunedin's four tests for a penalty include the principle - which went unchallenged in the completely different 'free car park' considerations in the Beavis case - that: ''it will be held to be a penalty if the breach consists only in not paying a sum of money, and the sum stipulated is a sum greater than the sum which ought to have been paid''.
14. Even if the court is minded to accept that the terms were clear and prominent, the 'parking charge' tariff was indisputably a 'standard contract', which would be subject to a simple damages clause to enable recovery of the sum that 'ought to have been paid' which was believed to be £4 and no more.
14.1. No complicated manipulations of the penalty rule can apply to a standard contract like this one, with quantified damages, otherwise every trader could massage any £5 bill to suddenly become £500.
14.2. In Beavis it was held that the claim could not have been pleaded as damages, as that would have failed. It was accepted that £85 was the sum for parking, and that was the 'parking charge' for want of any other monetary consideration in a free car park. It was not pleaded in damages, unlike here, where the sum for parking was just £4 and the Claimant is trying to claim damages of £100, no doubt hoping for a Judge who cannot properly interpret the intricacies of the Beavis case.
15. Further, and in support of the view of the unconscionableness of this charge, given this set of facts, the Defendant avers that a breach of the data principles and failure to comply with ICO rules regarding data captured by ANPR, when added to the lack of clear signage, lack of Letter before Claim and sparse POC, transgresses the tests of fairness and transparency of consumer contracts, as set out in the Consumer Rights Act 2015.
16. In addition to the original parking charge, for which liability is denied, the Claimants have artificially inflated the value of the Claim by adding purported Solicitor's Costs of £50, which have not actually been incurred by the Claimant.
16.1. Whilst £50 may be recoverable in an instance where a claimant has used a legal firm to prepare a claim, ParkingEye Ltd have not expended any such sum in this case. This Claimant has a Legal Team with salaried in-house Solicitors and it files hundreds of similar 'cut & paste' robo-claims per month, not incurring any legal cost per case. The Defendant puts the Claimant to strict proof to the contrary, given the fact that their in-house Solicitors cannot possibly be believed to be paid in the millions per annum for their services.
17. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (the POFA) Schedule 4, at Section 4(5) states that the maximum sum that may be recovered from the keeper is the charge stated on the Notice to Keeper (NTK) in this case £100. In the Beavis case, ParkingEye were only able to seek the only stated 'parking charge' sum on their NTK, since there was no quantifiable tariff.
17.1. It is not accepted that the Claimant has fully complied with the strict requirements of the POFA to hold the Defendant liable as registered keeper (and for this they are put to strict proof) and nor is it accepted that £100 can be claimed instead of £4 in this case, but either way, the additional sum of £50 on top, appears to be a disingenuous attempt at double recovery.
18. In summary, it is the Defendant's position that the claim discloses no cause of action, is without merit, and has no real prospect of success.
I believe the facts contained in this Defence are true.
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Don't have links in defences as courts/judges will not follow them. Just put the heading to which the link refers, in this case is it ParkingEye v Beavis?0
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Yes, that's correct.
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Really? All true?4.2. Silently collecting VRN data in order to inflate the 'parking charge' from £4 to £10012. ... and the PCN was sent very late with a 'parking charge' that bears no resemblance to the £4 'parking charge' tariff,10.2. The ParkingEye signs within the parking area are equally as hidden and therefore misleading. Furthermore there are no clear signs that were 'bound to be seen' between where the Defendant believes the car was parked and the entrance to the Butterfly Zoo and/or the building where the Defendant paid for entry.
- a £4 tariff?
- a PCN that was sent 'very late'?
- a Butterfly Zoo?!!PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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Coupon-mad wrote: »Really? All true?
- a £4 tariff?
- a PCN that was sent 'very late'?
- a Butterfly Zoo?!!
- a £4 tariff? - Yes this is the charge for Parking in the car park for 1 hour.
- a PCN that was sent 'very late'? - It was a month later
- a Butterfly Zoo?!! - Oops, this slipped through the net from the previous defence. Changed.0 -
Am I ok to submit with the above changes?0
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Chin_Upson wrote: »Am I ok to submit with the above changes?
Sorry to bump, I am keen to get this submitted today, ahead of the deadline on Monday!0 -
If it has been given the Coupon-mad edit and she found nothing else, should be OK. You should number every paragraph, don't try to put links in documents going to the court (just put ParkingEye v Beavis) and you need to read through it making sure it flows. Some of what you have in there would be, in my opinion, better off in a Witness Statement. The defence should focus on legal and technical arguments.0
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Hi Guys,
Quick update - I've just received ParkingEye's DQ which states they agree to having this case referred to the Small Claims Mediation Service.
There does not appear to be any action requested on my part. Am I supposed to receive a separate DQ from the Court?0 -
Please re-read items 7 and 8 in the list in post #4 above.0
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