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Paying council tax on a empty second property on the market

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  • GDB2222
    GDB2222 Posts: 27,027 Forumite
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    G_M wrote: »
    Yes. My rather basic maths confirms that it would be cheaper.

    My equally basic knowledge of the criminal law suggests that as well as prosecution and a fine, you could have your property taken away under the Proceeds of Crime Act.

    I don't think POCA is quite as draconian as that. The house itself would not be a proceed of crime, just the 25% Counciltax saving.
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
  • G_M
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    GDB2222 wrote: »
    I don't think POCA is quite as draconian as that. The house itself would not be a proceed of crime, just the 25% Counciltax saving.


    https://www.medway.gov.uk/info/200131/council_tax/42/council_tax_fraud
  • GDB2222
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    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
  • GDB2222
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    G_M wrote: »

    That is, of course, completely exaggerated. I suggest reading S.7 of the Act, which deals with the amount recoverable. Here is an extract.

    'The recoverable amount for the purposes of section 6 is an amount equal to the defendant’s benefit from the conduct concerned.'
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
  • G_M
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    GDB2222 wrote: »
    That is, of course, completely exaggerated. I suggest reading S.7 of the Act, which deals with the amount recoverable. Here is an extract.

    'The recoverable amount for the purposes of section 6 is an amount equal to the defendant’s benefit from the conduct concerned.'
    I, and Medway, stand corrected.


    You know me, I tend to have and quote sources for my advice and assumed Medway knew what they were about.... :T
  • Comms69
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    G_M wrote: »
    I, and Medway, stand corrected.


    You know me, I tend to have and quote sources for my advice and assumed Medway knew what they were about.... :T

    Its the usual, 'could', just like one could win the lottery.
  • AdrianC
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    I'm not sure that what Medway are saying is directly contradictory to s7.

    Their exact wording is "Punishments could include..." - and that's not actually incorrect.

    Let's say you've fraudulently claimed for a 100% discount for a Band H property that should actually have a 50% surcharge for being empty - that would be the thick end of five grand a year. And you've been doing that for a few years. Fail to pay, and you can see the debt process rolling in fees and interest quite easily. It's not hard to see a bankruptcy following, with the property going as part of that.

    Is it a bit melodramatic, designed to put the fear of God up people? Yes.
    Is it actively wrong? Not as such...
  • Crashy_Time
    Crashy_Time Posts: 13,386 Forumite
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    G_M wrote: »
    Can you two take this debate offline, or onto the debate board ?
    ( oh and please don't respond to this post as well!)

    They don`t seem to do much on council tax on the "Debate" board unfortunately.
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