Bins overflowing got fine for fly tipping

comedyseeker123

AdrianC wrote: »

Recycling WILL be provided. In 2019, that's a given.

It might not be provided on-site, but the local authority will be expecting the householders to take advantage of local communal recycling facilities. They may be in the supermarket car park, they may be in a council car park.

If recycling facilities aren't available on-site, then lobby for that - NOT for extra landfill bin capacity.

It isn't in a lot of london boroughs

parkrunner

The-Joker wrote: »

Hang on only two like that for 14 families??? Some families have several in a household and will fill one of those in a week just one family. Why doesn’t the letting agents just pay for more bins? Or at least get it sorted and get whoever is responsible to pay for extra bins.

The tenants just pay rent and council tax they shouldn’t have to pay for the bins. This is why they pay rent and council tax.

Nonsense, you can get around 18-20 large bin bags in each of those 1100 litre bins.

parkrunner

nyermen wrote: »

Were the "overflowing bins" on council / public property, or located on the private premises of the flats?

This needs answering.

need_an_answer

Is there a residents committee or directors that live within the complex who could perhaps initiate a meeting with the council to discuss recycling or other options for waste disposal?


I live within a council boundary where they have reduced the sizes of bins drastically both for households and also for complexes of apartments,it started around a year ago and basically one of the complexes where I am a LL and director at went from 3 large bins to 2 almost overnight.
Somebody came up within the council with an algorithm that worked out the amount of rubbish a household should produce and they simply implemented it...its not even possible to "buy "extra bins...its a case of learn to live with it.

This meant that the residents had too sort recycling effectively or else the bins were full within 2 days and an overflowing bin would result in a fine to the complex.


OP I'm surprised that you have been singled out I was given the impression that it wouldn't be individuals who would be automatically fined by the council but the complexes...however I guess each council will have its own monitoring systems.


It really was initially quite difficult controlling the waste but bit by bit the complex I'm part of has started to get on top of it...but its not something that will change unless all the residents learn to co operate.


We found initially that management charges went up simply because extra waste collections were needed,in some ways people realising that they were being charged monthly on management charges to dispose of waste was the catalyst to change.

Simple changes do help and without stating the obvious its things like not throwing away a cardboard box uncollapsed...better still collapse it and put it in cardboard waste.the bins will become full if rubbish isn't compacted and the space within the bin used to its full potential.


12 months on and we are now within the permitted waste criteria.

Hopefully your complex has an AGM annually that either you can attend or if you are a tenant your LL will attend as the leaseholder...that's a good place to bring up the situation regarding rubbish and see whats suggested going forward

xylophone

her workmen filled up everyone’s wheelie bins with their detritus

And you didn't complain to your neighbour or the council?

You had more tolerance than I'd have had, Gunga Din!

diggingdude

When I lived in my last flat we had two of those large bins for 12 flats. should have been plenty of room (though no recycling facility). By the end of the first week they would largely be full with stuff from a self employed builder and a family (i guess they were related) of 11 in a two bed flat. I gave up as management company didn't care and moved

patman99

I live in the city of Colchester. Earlier this year they started to trial recycling bins for flats, starting with their own ones.


Due to administrstive errors, some private flats have always had recycling bins (including my one), however, 95% of private flat developements do not as yet have any recycling bins provided.


In the op's case, I would approach the management company for the site with the following idea -
Liase with a local scrap firm to provide 2 bins. 1 for tins and 1 for aluminium cans and foil.


The money made from the scrap would help keep down the service charges for the residents.

RealElement47

nyermen wrote: »

Were the "overflowing bins" on council / public property, or located on the private premises of the flats?

The bins were on public pavement so how does that affect things?

Fire_Fox

AdrianC wrote: »

We're talking about this kind of bin, right?

They're 1,100 litre capacity. Times two. 2,200 litre capacity per week for 14 flats. That's 160 litre per flat per week.

Our local authority has two sizes of wheelie bin - 180 litre or 240 litre - for houses and smaller developments of flats. The larger bin is only available to households of five people or more. They're emptied fortnightly - so a household of four people has 90 litres/week of bin capacity. For developments of more than 8 flats, they provide larger bins of equal capacity.

Our bin (two person household) is rarely even half full.

How on earth are the people in your flats producing so much rubbish...?

As for requesting another - it won't happen. Councils have to pay to dispose of landfill waste, and allocate a certain amount of capacity per property.

Our council provides ZERO free dumpsters to blocks of flats and ZERO free recycling dumpsters to blocks of flats. New blocks and old blocks alike. They all cost £250+ each IIRC.

Since private long leases often do not provide for upgrades, and our rear yard is used by three blocks plus multiple businesses, managing agents are reluctant to order dumpsters.

The rear courtyard resembles a midden a couple of times a year. The council have to clear it because they own the land! :rotfl:

AdrianC wrote: »

Recycling WILL be provided. In 2019, that's a given.

It might not be provided on-site, but the local authority will be expecting the householders to take advantage of local communal recycling facilities. They may be in the supermarket car park, they may be in a council car park.

If recycling facilities aren't available on-site, then lobby for that - NOT for extra landfill bin capacity.

Nope.

Our council does not give two hoots about the ?2012 legislation for doorstep collection for city centre residents Not even when a cross-block officially recognised residents association was requesting facilities. Last time I personally ranted at the refuse collection manager was within the last year.

The council removed the recycling dumpsters in the council staff car park to make way for an electric car point. They did supply a dumpster in a pedestrianised area near a shopping centre over a year ago. The paper and card section is regularly full.

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xylophone wrote: »

And you didn't complain to your neighbour or the council?

You had more tolerance than I'd have had, Gunga Din!

I did manage a very British bit of passive aggression when I first met the new neighbour out in the garden whilst trying to take my rubbish out with a, “that’s strange. My bin appears to be full with someone else’s rubbish.” :rotfl: