Bins overflowing got fine for fly tipping

Crumble2018

Cakeguts wrote: »

Where are the bins located? It is possible that other people who don't live in the flats are putting their rubbish into the bins for the flats residents? If so you need to get bins that lock.

Yes - we had this issue a while back, and our bin shed now has a code lock on it. Although it didn't stop someone who had just moved out coming back and dumping all their moving rubbish in there of course!!

warby68

People can be selfish and shared facilities give extra scope for that.

Getting rid of rubbish without paying or any effort has been elevated to an art form by some. We maintain a large skip for business waste outside our unit , on private land and gated at night but still seen as fair game by many. Even the multi-millionaire neighbouring business owner from next door came sneaking under cover of darkness to dump a tree trunk!

Not an easy fix though if someone is abusing your bins - might be worth spying next time they're emptied and see exactly who is filling them and with what? It could easily be some chancer that doesn't live there dumping loads in those lovely empty giant bins wnen noone is looking. Not sure what you can do but at least you will know what is the underlying reason for the problem.

This won't be an issue anyone will sort for you. You will have to do the legwork or develop your own strategy to get your fair share of the bin space.

Penelopa.Pitstop

It's interesting that you were fined based on envelope. When I complained to council about someone leaving catron boxes outside of bins, on a street, with address on it, I was told, they can't fine that person, because it could be someone else leaving rubbish. And I didn't see anyone dumping that boxes, so there's no proof. So how come you are fined, when no one seen you dumping the bag, it could be someone else taking it out of the bin to put their bag, based on the same logic.

molerat

Penelopa.Pitstop wrote: »

It's interesting that you were fined based on envelope. When I complained to council about someone leaving catron boxes outside of bins, on a street, with address on it, I was told, they can't fine that person, because it could be someone else leaving rubbish. And I didn't see anyone dumping that boxes, so there's no proof. So how come you are fined, when no one seen you dumping the bag, it could be someone else taking it out of the bin to put their bag, based on the same logic.

Some councils actively pursue waste matters, others cannot be arsed so will have a variety of [STRIKE]legitimate reasons[/STRIKE] excuses why they cannot pursue an individual.

sal_III

Penelopa.Pitstop wrote: »

It's interesting that you were fined based on envelope. When I complained to council about someone leaving catron boxes outside of bins, on a street, with address on it, I was told, they can't fine that person, because it could be someone else leaving rubbish. And I didn't see anyone dumping that boxes, so there's no proof. So how come you are fined, when no one seen you dumping the bag, it could be someone else taking it out of the bin to put their bag, based on the same logic.

OP never said what the evidence was. The "envelope" is just a speculation / running theory by other posters, since this is the usual method.

Fly tipping enforcement varies between councils. So it's likely that yours is more relaxed on the matter and ignores overflowing bins. Other councils are on a crusade and will chase it like a dog with a bone. Not least for the juicy income from fines.

Shelldean

AdrianC wrote: »

Recycling WILL be provided. In 2019, that's a given.

It might not be provided on-site, but the local authority will be expecting the householders to take advantage of local communal recycling facilities. They may be in the supermarket car park, they may be in a council car park.

If recycling facilities aren't available on-site, then lobby for that - NOT for extra landfill bin capacity.

Not always the case. Am afraid.
I live in a London borough, a borough that boasts its a green borough too.

We have five bins between 30 properties, and the other three local places owned by same HA has 28 properties and five bins. Or 24 properties and five bins.

Three of the block (30, 28 +28 blocks) regularly have overflowing rubbish. And the bin men really help the situation, in so much that if anything falls off the won't pick it, not allowed to.
This means our bins don't go back into the shed. So they're left either blocking the pavement or in the gutter.

And yes we've fought and fought with both our HA and local waste collector to work together so we don't need to live like this.
No resolutions just yet. Things improve for a while then back to normal.

Despite the whole borough getting recycling bins of various types. None of us did. Not one bin. We still put everything thing in big Palladian bins provided.
We'd love to recycle, but there is no where nearby to recycle.
The local bottle paper and clothes banks were removed because they was often overflowing.
Without a car to get to the local refuse dump, there is no way to recycle.
Houses on our road have several recycling bins, but the block none. They even send a different lorry to collect the four blocks waste!!!

Honestly you couldn't make it!!

cajef

Murphybear wrote: »

You see a lot of advice on here about not putting anything in the rubbish which could identify you. Things like bank/credit card statements etc.

Agreed, we remove labels from any packaging from companies such as Amazon or Ebay and either shred them or cut them up so we cannot be identified, plus shredding any envelopes or anything personal.

Shelldean

Have just double checked in case the information for my borough has changed.
It hasn't.

There's two recycling points I can walk too.
One takes just - textiles and shoes
Other takes - textiles, shoes, books, DVDs, CDs, computer game

Third one the a lot.of.people could walk to takes the same as the second I've posted.


In fact nowhere in the borough take anything besides what I've listed, unless you go to the main recycling/refuse centre. A centre you can not walk into, have to go in car!!!

The-Joker

AdrianC wrote: »

We're talking about this kind of bin, right?




They're 1,100 litre capacity. Times two. 2,200 litre capacity per week for 14 flats. That's 160 litre per flat per week.

Our local authority has two sizes of wheelie bin - 180 litre or 240 litre - for houses and smaller developments of flats. The larger bin is only available to households of five people or more. They're emptied fortnightly - so a household of four people has 90 litres/week of bin capacity. For developments of more than 8 flats, they provide larger bins of equal capacity.

Our bin (two person household) is rarely even half full.

How on earth are the people in your flats producing so much rubbish...?

As for requesting another - it won't happen. Councils have to pay to dispose of landfill waste, and allocate a certain amount of capacity per property.

Hang on only two like that for 14 families??? Some families have several in a household and will fill one of those in a week just one family. Why doesn’t the letting agents just pay for more bins? Or at least get it sorted and get whoever is responsible to pay for extra bins.

The tenants just pay rent and council tax they shouldn’t have to pay for the bins. This is why they pay rent and council tax.

AdrianC

The-Joker wrote: »

Why doesn’t the letting agents just pay for more bins? Or at least get it sorted and get whoever is responsible to pay for extra bins.

It isn't the responsibility of the letting agent or landlord of one flat.

The leaseholders could request the building management to provide extra bins - but the cost will be part of the service charge, and the cost for commercial collection of trade waste is not trivial.

The tenants just pay rent and council tax they shouldn’t have to pay for the bins. This is why they pay rent and council tax.

Council tax includes a certain amount of domestic refuse, certainly not unlimited. And I gave the volumes for my area in the post you just replied to...