The advantages of using fossil fuels

Martyn1981

1961Nick wrote: »

Ken does have a point Mart, you do have a habit of attacking the person rather than the bones of their argument when you don't agree with the points being mooted. It's not just candid digs either, it's usually a full on frontal assault which totally skews the thread away from the topic.

I fully understand your passion for renewables, but often your method does end up undermining your cause. Putting Ken in the same 'box' as say Trump is frankly ridiculous, in reality he's only slightly less signed up to the cause than you are ... as are many of the contributors that you casually tag as "deniers".

Being personal, but in positive way, Ken probably has 'greener' credentials than anyone else on this board. I'd wager than his personal carbon emissions are net negative & that should be a reason for celebration not derision.

Nick, he's simply stirring and trying to create arguments with me. As he's pointed out himself, he's been trawling MSE and looking at old issues involving myself.

In the past he tried to argue for many issues until I asked him to support them himself, and he refused, confirming he just wanted to argue at me.

On here we see his great alternative to what we are doing (mitigation), is what we are doing, mitigation, so just arguing for the sake of arguing.

All he has to do is pop me on ignore, since all he seems to want to do is start arguments about what I'm saying.

Once again, don't keep getting played. You don't like me being honest and pointing out what he is doing, but I don't recall you stepping in when he or GA are 'aving a go' at me.

You're being played mate.

1961Nick

Martyn1981 wrote: »

Nick, he's simply stirring and trying to create arguments with me. As he's pointed out himself, he's been trawling MSE and looking at old issues involving myself.

I believe he's considering changing the Golf for an EV. It was probably a deja-vu moment finding you there!:D

JKenH

1961Nick wrote: »

I believe he's considering changing the Golf for an EV. It was probably a deja-vu moment finding you there!:D

It was, actually, when I saw some of the ‘discussions’ on the Electric Cars thread. I've been following it for a while (as well as going round dealers) but I never felt the need to post on it. It’s been a bit quiet of late, maybe GA should go on there and liven things up.

GreatApe

JKenH wrote: »

It was, actually, when I saw some of the ‘discussions’ on the Electric Cars thread. I've been following it for a while (as well as going round dealers) but I never felt the need to post on it. It’s been a bit quiet of late, maybe GA should go on there and liven things up.

Cars are interesting they are much more than just transport a huge segment is status symbols which is a market EVs can and possibly will take

I can see 100% BEVs and regulations can play a part here
Affordability at each price point can be hit with slower and lower range BEVs

I'm not sure exactly when cars can be regulated to be BEV only but perhaps in the 2030s
With fossil fuel cars banned there will be fiesta class vehicles at sub £15k
Even if that means the range is reduced to 80 miles to achieve that price point

But I feel there is a potential for a change in transport from 1.5 ton vehicles to potentially 20kg electric scooters. From 4 miles per kWh BEVs to 80 miles per KWh electric scooters. From £30,000 BEVs to £300 electric scooters. They may be low speed but the average speed in urban areas like London is only 15mph anyway. They are not a full solution but they can be a significant fraction of a non fossil transport solution.

1961Nick

GreatApe wrote: »

Cars are interesting they are much more than just transport a huge segment is status symbols which is a market EVs can and possibly will take

I can see 100% BEVs and regulations can play a part here
Affordability at each price point can be hit with slower and lower range BEVs

I'm not sure exactly when cars can be regulated to be BEV only but perhaps in the 2030s
With fossil fuel cars banned there will be fiesta class vehicles at sub £15k
Even if that means the range is reduced to 80 miles to achieve that price point

But I feel there is a potential for a change in transport from 1.5 ton vehicles to potentially 20kg electric scooters. From 4 miles per kWh BEVs to 80 miles per KWh electric scooters. From £30,000 BEVs to £300 electric scooters. They may be low speed but the average speed in urban areas like London is only 15mph anyway. They are not a full solution but they can be a significant fraction of a non fossil transport solution.

If you're going to put that many people on electric scooters you better budget for more hospitals & A&E doctors. Humans are now barely capable of walking at 2mph without bumping into each other such is the distraction of their mobile phone.

JKenH

1961Nick wrote: »

If you're going to put that many people on electric scooters you better budget for more hospitals & A&E doctors. Humans are now barely capable of walking at 2mph without bumping into each other such is the distraction of their mobile phone.

Nick, you might not be old enough to remember the masses of workers heading for British Steel on their pushbikes in the sixties, a scene replicated in industrial towns across the country. It would be just like the good old days except when you came to go home you would find your scooter had been nicked (no pun intended).

pile-o-stone

Can anyone explain to me how this thread has anything to do with Green and Ethical Moneysaving?

Surely the moderators (LOL) should move this to a more approriate location such as the Energy board or Discussion Time?

JKenH

pile-o-stone wrote: »

Can anyone explain to me how this thread has anything to do with Green and Ethical Moneysaving?

Yes, we are now discussing electric scooters, a very CO2 efficient AGW friendly and money saving means of transport.

GreatApe

1961Nick wrote: »

If you're going to put that many people on electric scooters you better budget for more hospitals & A&E doctors. Humans are now barely capable of walking at 2mph without bumping into each other such is the distraction of their mobile phone.

Don't worry mart reliably tells me the NHS is now flush with cash from the billions in health costs saved from closing down the UK coal power stations