Cpm appeal

badger2016

Hi all

Had 2x cpm fines through today re fines from 22 weeks ago.
No windscreen ticket. However my understanding is this is allowed it just means no driver liability?
Is this the right template?
Thanks!

Re PCN number:

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a formal complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner and to my MP.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require ALL photos taken and an explanation of the allegation and your evidence, i.e.:

- If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

- If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner. If you fail to evidence the actual grace period that applies at this site or suggest that only one period applies, this will be disregarded as an attempt to mislead. In the absence of evidence, it will be reasonably taken to be a minimum of twenty minutes (ten on arrival and ten after parking time) in accordance with the official BPA article by Kelvin Reynolds about 'observation periods' on arrival being additional and separate to a 'grace period' at the end.

- in all cases, you must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date.

Formal note:
Should you later pursue this charge by way of litigation, note that service of any legal documents by email is expressly disallowed and you are not entitled to assume that the data in this dispute/appeal remains the current address for service in the future.

Yours faithfully,

KeithP

No windscreen ticket. However my understanding is this is allowed it just means no driver liability?

That is wrong. The driver is always responsible for their actions - it's just that if no-one tells the PPC who the driver is they have to rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act to transfer the driver's liability to the keeper.


Yes that is the right template that the keeper sends if the vehicle is not a hire/lease car.

Send the template unchanged - no additions or alterations needed.

Send it as the keeper.

badger2016

It says appeal must be done within 21days of issue of charge.. I didn't get it for 22weeks...

KeithP

And another two weeks have now passed.

Did you send that appeal?

Coupon-mad

Doesn't matter, as there is no such thing as a CPM appeal.

The OP needs to read UKCPM claim threads and prepare to win in court later.

The_Deep

Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams so consider complaining to your MP.

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies

badger2016

I did appeal 2 tickets. Had 1 reply declining my appeal asking for £100 and threatening court action & ccj if i dont pay within 28days...
What do you mean theres no such thing as a cpm appeal... laymans terms and some humouring my ignorance here would be greatly appreciated... thanks

Umkomaas

What do you mean theres no such thing as a cpm appeal...

Absolutely no likelihood of any success with the initial appeal. In fact, that's just about the case for the majority of private parking firms. Using the template, which has been carefully crafted, ensures no one blows their toes off at the first hurdle.

As UKCPM are the country's most litigious operator, you should prepare yourself for a court claim in the next few months. Part of that preparation should be a thorough reading of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #2, which details all the likely paperwork you will need to deal with, and the actions you will be required to take to avoid this getting really nasty if UKCPM decide to sue.

On top of that look at recent UKCPM threads that are ahead of you in the process, including those where court proceedings have concluded.

laymans terms

We are all laymen (and women) here. No one gets paid for providing the advice we give. And each and every one of us started at the same point you have started, zero understanding and zero experience of any of this stuff. But determination, research, bloody hard work and ongoing resilience has got to where we're at.

badger2016

ok I'll go and read the thread about court. Sounds scary.

badger2016

how do ccj's occur? Im scared of getting one as I'm single and trying to keep afloat and already struggling without having a ccj :-/

Le_Kirk

County Court Judgment (CCJ) as the name suggests is a judgment (the decision of the case) by a judge in a county (civil) court. If the judgment is that you pay the PPC £xx.xx then, providing you pay it within the time limit set by the judge (normally 30 days) the CCJ does not even get onto your credit record. If, however, you fail to pay then the CCJ is lodged.