Irish hard border question

Reaper

Forgive me if this has been answered already, I did try a forum search.

In the event of a No Deal Brexit my understanding is 13% of goods imported to the UK would immediately have to pay tariffs with more to follow later (source), and many more goods being exported to the EU would immediately have tariffs to pay.

Since nobody is making any effort at all to build a hard border in the event of a no deal Brexit what is to stop me hiring a lorry and smuggling goods over the Irish border in both directions all day long?

It's such a blinding obvious thing to do and nobody seems to be mentioning it so I feel I must have missed something but can't see what. Is wide scale smuggling to be permitted, almost encouraged?

lvader

Reaper wrote: »

Forgive me if this has been answered already, I did try a forum search.

In the event of a No Deal Brexit my understanding is 13% of goods imported to the UK would immediately have to pay tariffs with more to follow later (source), and many more goods being exported to the EU would immediately have tariffs to pay.

Since nobody is making any effort at all to build a hard border in the event of a no deal Brexit what is to stop me hiring a lorry and smuggling goods over the Irish border in both directions all day long?

It's such a blinding obvious thing to do and nobody seems to be mentioning it so I feel I must have missed something but can't see what. Is wide scale smuggling to be permitted, almost encouraged?

The law? It's not unusual fore customs officers to do spot checks away from the border. It's happened to me in both Italy and France.

Takedap

Reaper wrote: »

Forgive me if this has been answered already, I did try a forum search.

In the event of a No Deal Brexit my understanding is 13% of goods imported to the UK would immediately have to pay tariffs with more to follow later (source), and many more goods being exported to the EU would immediately have tariffs to pay.

Since nobody is making any effort at all to build a hard border in the event of a no deal Brexit what is to stop me hiring a lorry and smuggling goods over the Irish border in both directions all day long?

It's such a blinding obvious thing to do and nobody seems to be mentioning it so I feel I must have missed something but can't see what. Is wide scale smuggling to be permitted, almost encouraged?

Apparently it's a price worth paying as we will have taken back control........Doh!

Thrugelmir

Reaper wrote: »

In the event of a No Deal Brexit my understanding is 13% of goods imported to the UK would immediately have to pay tariffs with more to follow later

Many products are subject to different tax rules, i.e. tobacco and achohol. Plenty of "smuggling" goes on as it is. As the higher selling price in the UK makes it extremely profitable.

MaxiRobriguez

lvader wrote: »

The law?

Yeah but that just gets in the way doesn't it? Easier just to ignore it to achieve your aims, or something.

lvader

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Yeah but that just gets in the way doesn't it? Easier just to ignore it to achieve your aims, or something.

Are you talking about the withdrawal bill that is still law or the legal right to suspend parliament?

phillw

Reaper wrote: »

Since nobody is making any effort at all to build a hard border in the event of a no deal Brexit what is to stop me hiring a lorry and smuggling goods over the Irish border in both directions all day long?

I think they are going to have covert surveillance watching for lorries and they will then be investigated and intercepted if they don't head to the designated areas.

If you want to smuggle then you need to use less conspicuous methods.

There are probably sea routes that you can use that they don't have the ability to monitor effectively

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

If you want to smuggle then you need to use less conspicuous methods.

With 3000 crossing points. What's the problem?

MaxiRobriguez

lvader wrote: »

Are you talking about the withdrawal bill that is still law or the legal right to suspend parliament?

Neither, I was referring to a bill passed by both houses which our Prime Minister was planning to ignore rather than give it Royal Ascent, which, for reference, would be as bad as parliament voting to trigger Article 50 and then a remain PM simply ignoring it.

lvader

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Neither, I was referring to a bill passed by both houses which our Prime Minister was planning to ignore rather than give it Royal Ascent, which, for reference, would be as bad as parliament voting to trigger Article 50 and then a remain PM simply ignoring it.

Better call for a general election then.

Thrugelmir

lvader wrote: »

Better call for a general election then.

But nobody wants one unless it's on their terms......

The Country wants one to resolve the matter once and for all.