No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

DannyGold

If the options are either Boris no deal, or JC socialist government then either option will mean lower property prices

StevieJ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Corbyn will strike a deal with the SNP.

Still not a majority.

Reaper

Malthusian wrote: »

Daniel Finkelstein argues convincingly in The Times today that the only realistic options for the country are either a no-deal Brexit or a Corbyn government.

If an election happens then I don't think it will be so clear cut. Half the Tory voters want to remain so will be reluctant to vote for Boris crashing out with a no deal Brexit. I predict the Lib Dems to do very well out this.

Half the Labour voters are Leave so they won't vote Labour. I don't know where their votes will go, but they may be reluctant to vote Tory.

Given the above I think no party having a majority if the most likely outcome with a much bigger Lib Dem party being able to broker a power sharing deal.

On the other hand things are changing so fast ATM predictions are a mugs game.

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

Still not a majority.

Historic voting patterns may have no bearing. In many areas this is a single election issue. Can always kick the encumbrent out at the next election. I still remember the Newbury By Pass issue. The electorate simply wanted someone that supported their views.

DannyGold

Malthusian wrote: »

They have indeed - McDonnell has proposed confiscating company shares from shareholders and using the dividends to fund public spending.

Also proposed forcing land lords to sell their rental properties to their tenants for less than market value.

The proposal alone is scaring off foreign investors from the UK, even got lots of wealthy foreigners wanting to sell property in the uk.



If the options are either Boris no deal, or JC socialist government then either option will mean lower property prices

Crashy_Time

Would be hilarious if after all the remainer squealing about not having Brexit at all because it might affect their bubble mortgage they got Corbyn?

phillw

lvader wrote: »

It would have worked perfectly if the EU gave him some small concessions that would have won the referendum.

What small concessions do you have in mind?

They reminded him that we could ask EU citizens to go back home if they were never able to find gainful employment, the government refused to do it.

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Would be hilarious if after all the remainer squealing about not having Brexit at all because it might affect their bubble mortgage they got Corbyn?

I don't have a mortgage, I'm more worried about the food riots.

Reaper wrote: »

On the other hand things are changing so fast ATM predictions are a mugs game.

I've been saying this for weeks, whenever anyone has proclaimed they knew what was going to happen because "there was no way that ......" & suddenly it looks like it will happen. It's a form of wishful thinking.

Having the election on October 15th is stupid, it doesn't give enough time to form a government before the summit on the 17th. I assume Boris knows this as everything he says is a lie. I don't see that happening. I think a November 7th General Election would be the best bet.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

What small concessions do you have in mind?

They reminded him that we could ask EU citizens to go back home if they were never able to find gainful employment, the government refused to do it.
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It's was mostly symbolic, the important things was for the EU to give a little to fend off Brexit. Normally the EU are good at that sort of thing but for whatever reason they decided against diplomacy.

Thrugelmir

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Would be hilarious if after all the remainer squealing about not having Brexit at all because it might affect their bubble mortgage they got Corbyn?

Corbyn is a Brexiteer though. To implement his plans he needs to be free of EU fiscal rules.

Kohoutek

Wenlock wrote: »

Unless a full Brexit is implemented the UK is not a proper democracy. In that scenario I don’t care if Corbyn or a Tory remainer is in power - I won’t feel like I have any part of this society.

I didn’t want any negotiations to take place with the EU in the first place, other than individual details such as minimising issues at the border. My Article 50 letter would have advised that we were leaving in 2 years and trading on WTO terms indefinitely. If the EU wanted to consider a basic Canada style FTA feel free to let us know.

I doubt it is going to happen but right now my preference would be a one term only Brexit party government. They are the only party I would trust to actually take us out of the EU properly (as opposed to some form of pretend Brexit where we stay attached to the EU in some form of non voting associate membership as Mrs May seemed to want). I would also trust Farage to reform/close down the House of Lords, sort out the BBC and instigate a sensible immigration system.

I'm glad you're not in charge then, because your idea of severing ties with our closest economic partners (not to mention diplomatic allies and well, geographical neighbours) is obviously completely stupid. It only makes sense if all you believe in is 'clean Brexit' intellectual masturbation and are prepared to ignore everything else. Anyone that can understand percentages will also understand that a marginal result in a referendum where there were two opposite choices is not a mandate for the most extreme position possible - it's a mandate for a middle ground position.