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Thanks, yes it is so I will put down ParkingEye v Beavis 4th November 2015 UKSC67
As well as bullet points, I was thinking including pictures I have taken do I need to put this that I am including this in the defence?
If I do need to put it in the defence do I have to explain each image or just put something generic,
Included are pictures of poor signage?0 -
Nothing gets included with a Defence.
It is explained in post #2 of the NEWBIES thread that evidence and Witness Statement come later - some months later.
Please read again posts #15 - #18 above.
Remember...
That's tomorrow....you have until 4pm on Monday 16th September 2019 to file your Defence.0 -
You can email your MP. I emailed mine, and I received a response in the post.
Save the photos for your Witness Statement.Natwest OD - Start: £1,500 Current: £1,500 | Creation Loan - Start: £2,152.33 Current: £2,082.90 | Barclaycard CC - Start: £5,242.42 Current: £5,416.45 | Novuna Loan - Start: £8,598.43 Current: £8,366.04 | Tesco CC - Start: £9,420.22 Current: £9,885 | Northridge Car - Start: £15,584 Current: £15,017
Starting total on 02.07.2024 is: £42,497.40 | Current total: £42,267.39 (0.5% paid off)0 -
Thanks Keith, I thought I would have to mention or refer to the images that I will be looking to bring with me at the latter stage so wasn't too sure if this would have to be pointed out before hand.
I will include it later as you say.
I think i have completed my defence and I am ready to print, sign and scan let you explained a few weeks ago
** I wlll be sending an email now to my MP now that I have completed this **0 -
IN THE COUNTY COURT
CLAIM No: XXXXX
BETWEEN:
VEHICLE CONTROL SERVICES LTD (Claimant)
-and-
(Defendant)
DEFENCE
1. The Defendant was the registered keeper of vehicle registration number XXXXX on the material date. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.
2. The facts are that the vehicle, registration XXXXX, appears, from the sparse evidence supplied by this Claimant, to be parked on the material date, the location of which the vehicle there was no signage of private property.
Instead, there was a complete prohibition, a No Parking sign which was stuck on the wall. No signs for private property were and no terms & conditions and no 'parking charge' could have been agreed. ''No parking'' is not an offer and there was no consideration, thus the elements of a contract were not met.
3. The car was parked in such a position that due to the location of signage it would not be possible to see it due to it's position it can be easily obscured in view by other vehicles therefore a contract would not have been entered into with the driver of vehicle, as there is no clear signage or indication to what contract is entered into.
4. The building was currently not in use and had a for sale/to let sign, it has been empty for several months and there has been no contract or notices about private land/property, I would like to see evidence of the date contracts were agreed with landowner and the date in which it was agreed to put these notices up.
5. The property was currently uninhabited for several months and was for sale/to let, during this time it had no parking restrictions in place up until the day this PCN was issued or the day before.
6. The signage on and around the site in question was small, unclear and not prominent and did not meet the Independent Parking Community (IPC) Code of Practice. The Claimant was a member of the IPC at the time and committed to follow its requirements. Therefore, no contract has been formed with the Defendant to pay £100.00, or any additional fee charged if unpaid in 28 days.
7. The Claimant is put to strict proof that it has sufficient proprietary interest in the land, or that it has the necessary authorisation from the landowner to issue parking charge notices, and to pursue payment by means of litigation.
8. The claim includes an additional £60.00, described as a debt collection charge. The Defendant believes this to be an abuse of process as these charges were not stated as part of the supposed contract. Judges have disallowed all added parking firm 'costs' in County courts up and down the Country. In Claim number F0DP201T on 10th June 2019, District Judge Taylor sitting at the County Court at Southampton, echoed an earlier General Judgment or Order of DJ Grand, who on 21st February 2019 sitting at the Newport (IOW) County Court, had struck out a parking firm claim.
9. Accordingly, it is denied that any contravention or breach of clearly signed/lined terms occurred, and it is denied that the driver was properly informed about any parking charge, either by signage or by a CN.
10. The Particulars of Claim does not state whether they believe the Defendant was the registered keeper and/or the driver of the vehicle. These assertions indicate that the Claimant has failed to identify a Cause of Action, and is simply offering a menu of choices. As such, the Claim fails to comply with Civil Procedure Rule 16.4, or with Civil Practice Direction 16, paras. 7.3 to 7.5. Further, the particulars of the claim do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached.
11. Due to the sparseness of the particulars, it is unclear as to what legal basis the claim is brought, whether for breach of contract, contractual liability, or trespass. However, it is denied that the Defendant, or any driver of the vehicle, entered into any contractual agreement with the Claimant, whether express, implied, or by conduct.
12. At best, parking without authorisation could be from for the landowner to pursue, in the event that damages were caused by a trespass. A parking charge cannot be dressed up by a non-landowner parking firm, as a fee, or a sum in damages owed to that firm for positively inviting and allowing a car to trespass. Not only is this a nonsense, but the Supreme Court decision in ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, confirmed that ParkingEye could not have pursued a sum in damages for t12County Court transcripts supporting the Defendant's position will be adduced, and in all respects, the Beavis case is distinguished.
13. The POFA, at Section 4(5) states that the maximum sum that may be recovered from the keeper is the charge stated on the Notice to Keeper, in this case £100. The claim includes an additional £60, for which no calculation or explanation is given, and which appears to be an attempt at double recovery. The Defendant has the reasonable belief that the Claimant has not incurred £60 costs to pursue an alleged £100 or £160 debt.
14. In summary, it is the Defendant's position that the claim discloses no cause of action, is without merit, and has no real prospect of success. Accordingly, the Court is invited to strike out the claim of its own initiative, using its case management powers pursuant to CPR 3.4.
15. The claimant also has a sign next to his which states “No unauthorised Parking, Wheel clamping in operation” which is against the law to clamp cars on private land.
16. Costs on the claim - disproportionate and disingenuous
17. CPR 44.3 (2) states: ''Where the amount of costs is to be assessed on the standard basis, the court will –
(a) only allow costs which are proportionate to the matters in issue. Costs which are disproportionate in amount may be disallowed or reduced even if they were reasonably or necessarily incurred; and
(b) resolve any doubt which it may have as to whether costs were reasonably and proportionately incurred or were reasonable and proportionate in amount in favour of the paying party.
18. Whilst quantified costs can be considered on a standard basis, this Claimant's purported costs are wholly disproportionate and do not stand up to scrutiny.
19. The standard wording for parking charge/debt recovery contracts is on the Debt Recovery Plus website - ''no recovery/no fee'', thus establishing an argument that the Claimant is breaching the indemnity principle - claiming reimbursement for a cost which has never, in fact, been incurred. This is true, whether or not they used a third party debt collector during the process.
20. In fact it is averred that the Claimant has not paid or incurred such damages/costs or 'legal fees' at all. Any debt collection letters were a standard feature of a low cost business model and are already counted within the parking charge itself and there has been no legal advice or personal involvement by any solicitor in churning out this template claim.
21. The Parking Eye Ltd v Beavis!case is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since that sum (£85 in Beavis) was held to already incorporate the minor costs of an automated private parking business model. There are no losses or damages caused by this business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages.
22. Unlike this mendacious and greedy Claimant, ParkingEye themselves took on board the!Beavis!case outcome and they never add fake costs on top of the parking charge. It is indisputable that an alleged 'parking charge' penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending upon the parking firm) covers the costs of the letters, and all parking firms are very familiar with this case:
23. ParkingEye Vs Beavis 4th November 2015 UKSC57
“at para 98.!{re ...The desirability of running that parking scheme at no cost, or ideally some profit, to themselves}!''Against this background, it can be seen that the £85 charge had two main objects. One was to manage the efficient use of parking space in the interests of the retail outlets, and of the users of those outlets who wish to find spaces in which to park their cars [...] The other purpose was to provide an income stream to enable ParkingEye to meet the costs of operating the scheme and make a profit from its services...''
24. at para 193. ''Judging by ParkingEye’s accounts, and unless the Chelmsford car park was out of the ordinary, the scheme also covered ParkingEye's costs of operation and gave their shareholders a healthy annual profit.''
25. at para 198. ''The charge has to be and is set at a level which enables the managers to recover the costs of operating the scheme. It is here also set at a level enabling ParkingEye to make a profit.''
26. Any purported 'legal costs' are also made up out of thin air. Given the fact that robo-claim solicitors and parking firms process tens of thousands of claims handled by an admin team or paralegals, the Defendant avers that no solicitor is likely to have supervised this current batch of cut & paste claims. The court is invited to note that no named Solicitor has signed the Particulars, in breach of Practice Direction 22, and rendering the statement of truth a nullity.
27. According to Ladak v DRC Locums UKEAT/0488/13/LA a Claimant can only recover the direct and provable costs of the time spent preparing the claim in a legal capacity, not any administration costs allegedly incurred by already remunerated administrative staff.
28. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 (POFA) makes it clear that the will of Parliament regarding parking on private land is that the only sum potentially able to be recovered is the sum in any compliant 'Notice to Keeper' (and the ceiling for a 'parking charge', as set by the Trade Bodies and the DVLA, is £100). This also depends upon the Claimant fully complying with the statute, including 'adequate notice' of the parking charge and prescribed documents served in time/with mandatory wording. It is submitted the claimant has failed on all counts and the Claimant is well aware their artificially inflated claim, as pleaded, constitutes double recovery.
29. Judges have disallowed all added parking firm 'costs' in County courts up and down the Country. In Claim number F0DP201T on 10th June 2019, District Judge Taylor sitting at the County Court at Southampton, echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of DJ Grand, who (when sitting at the Newport (IOW) County Court in 2018 and 2019) has struck out several parking firm claims. These include a BPA member serial Claimant (Britannia, using BW Legal's robo-claim model) and an IPC member serial Claimant (UKCPM, using Gladstones' robo-claim model) yet the Orders have been identical in striking out both claims without a hearing, with the Judge stating:!''It is ordered that The claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in ParkingEye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''
30. That is not an isolated judgment striking a parking claim out for repeatedly adding sums they are not entitled to recover. In the Caernarfon Court in Case number!FTQZ4W28 (Vehicle Control Services Ltd v Davies)!on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated:
''Upon it being recorded that Distract Judge Jones-Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates [...] in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which!inter alia!decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared [...] the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.''
31. In summary, the Claimant's particulars disclose no legal basis for the sum claimed and it is the Defendant's position that the poorly pleaded claim discloses no cause of action and no liability in law for any sum at all. The Claimant's vexatious conduct from the outset has been intimidating, misleading and indeed untrue in terms of the added costs alleged and the statements made, in trying to justify the unjustifiable.
32. There are several options available within the Courts' case management powers to prevent vexatious litigants pursuing a wide range of individuals for matters which are near-identical, with meritless claims and artificially inflated costs. The Defendant is of the view that private parking firms operate as vexatious litigants and that relief from sanctions should be refused.
33. The Court is invited to make an Order of its own initiative, dismissing this claim in its entirety and to allow such Defendant's costs as are permissible under Civil Procedure Rule 27.14 on the indemnity basis, taking judicial note of the wholly unreasonable conduct of this Claimant.
Yours faithfully
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I would amalgamate your #15 into #2 'the facts':2. The facts are that the vehicle, registration XXXXX, appears, from the sparse evidence supplied by this Claimant, to be parked on the material date at the location. [STRIKE]of which the vehicle[/STRIKE] There was no signage [STRIKE]of[/STRIKE] to communicate that this was private property or that the site was managed, as required by the relevant ATA Code of Practice ('CoP'). Instead, there was a complete prohibition, a 'No Parking' sign which was stuck on the wall and another which states “No unauthorised Parking, Wheel clamping in operation” which is against the law [STRIKE]to clamp cars[/STRIKE] on private land and has been since 2012, so these cannot be up to date/audited parking signs and cannot possibly comply with the CoP. No [STRIKE]signs for private property were and no[/STRIKE] terms & conditions and no 'parking charge' could have been agreed. A threat of illegal wheel clamping, coupled with ''No parking'' is not an offer and there was no consideration, thus the elements of a contract were not met.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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Aren't points 4 & 5 essentially the same? Also you need to sort out the grammar of those sentences, whichever one you decide to use. You can't say in 4 "was currently" it would be better as "was, at the time" and in 5 was currently uninhabited" better as "had been uninhabited for several months." Might be better to combine points 4 & 5. Also in point 4, you use "I" and is should be "the Defendant". IMO this would be better as "the claimant is put to strict proof that contracts......." Maybe you can look at point 7, which is the landowner authority and include your point about contracts in there.
All paragraphs require a number and you have one missing after 30, although you could take out the line after "Judge Evans stated" and join it up to "Upon it being recorded.........."0 -
Thanks everyone, I sent the defence and received a letter from dcblegal with there answers to the directions questionnaire on the 19th September, I have not received a letter from Northampton business centre for me to fill out however, I read the newbie thread which bargepole had a thread on what to do when it said to wait for the questionnaire but im just concerned that I have not received one yet apart from dcblegal should I still wait does it take a while to receive one?
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Re-read point 7 in post # 3 on this thread.0
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Hi everyone, just to update I got a letter and court date and to submit witness statements by the 6th Jan.
I leave things late like this and currently reading up again on what I need to do.
I just want to ask with you experienced helpers here, I keep reading on posts about no disclosing the driver of the vehicle but what if that driver is the only named driver of the vehicle? and if the judge asks who was driving what is one supposed to say?
This ws I am writing do I just summarise the points in my own words and paragraph like I did before and include pictures..
I also went to the spot where the PCN was issued and the sign is no longer there, what do I do here, i did take pictures before they took it off and also after now its been taken off,
my plan was to put a friend of mines car in front of the sign because you can not see it but that has gone out the window now that the sign has been taken off..
Unless I do a paintjob with arrows pointing out a car the size of a ford focus if it's parked in front of the sign you can not see the sign etc? is it worth me doing that?
Just got a feeling I will get shot down in court because the sign where my car was at the back does say no parking..
I asked VCS for a SAR also, they gave me details but one thing I noticed they gave me 2 pcns for this car one was several months before and I think i may still have that PCN but they did not disclose that can I use this against them in court or am I just going over my head here not knowing what I am on about and best to leave that out?
Thanks guys again just reading posts and threads by you guys is a lot of hard work and time spent but it's more effort writing it all for us all to use with our cases,etc much appreciated.0
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