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County Court Claim Received - Daughter was the Driver

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  • SCHEDULE OF COSTS

    In The County Court at Lewes, The Law Courts, High Street, Lewes, BN7 1YB

    Claim Number: *******

     Parties                       

     Civil Enforcement Limited                           Claimant

     ********                                                           Defendant

     

     

    DEFENDANT’S SCHEDULE OF COSTS

     

    Ordinary Costs

     

    a)       One half day loss of earnings for attending hearing:                                                          £ 50.00

    b)       Half day parking in Lewes:                                                                                                  £  5.00

     

     

    Further costs for Claimant's unreasonable behaviour,

    pursuant to Civil Procedure Rule 27.14(2)(g)

    1.       Litigant in Person cost of research, preparation & drafting 

    of documents (19 hours at £15 per hour):                                                                                £285.00

    Preparing and submitting of appeals:                                    2 hours

    Writing to landowner and MP:                                               1 hour

    Researching phone records & other facts:                            1 hour

    Reading pre-court letters and researching

    the issues at the earliest stage:                                             3 hours
    Reading LBC & related paperwork:                                       1 hour

    Investigating procedures & registering for MCOL:                1 hour
    Researching, preparing, scanning & submitting defence:    4 hours
    Preparing, researching, printing of my witness statement    4 hours
    Preparing, researching and gathering, then printing

    of my evidence exhibits:                                                      2 hours

     

    2.       Stationary, copying and printing:                                                                         £  5.00

     

                                                                                                                                          ______

                                                                                     Total Costs Claimed:                   £345.00

                                                                                                                                          ______


  • I have to admit to spending waaaay more hours in research, but I couldn't possibly claim all that! 
  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
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    Your SAR should have extracted all documents including any PCN

    The first postal notice PCN should be the NTK , even if it doesn't say so , so check your paperwork , do not assume , check the facts

    If the first postal notice was a reminder or debt letter , it's not an NTK and likely fails POFA

    This is a moot point if a driver has been outed , because POFA only protects the keeper and that initial keeper PCN is crucial if defending as a keeper and not a driver
  • They did include a PCN in their evidence for the POPLA appeal, but I never received it until I requested a SAR. I'll try and post the 1st letter I got from C.E.L., although I now realise that when POPLA said the NTK conformed to regulations, they were referring to the PCN that CEL sent them as evidence. Doh!
  • Old_Bird_65
    Old_Bird_65 Posts: 60 Forumite
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    edited 25 February 2020 at 9:25PM
    It wouldn't let me copy and paste, so I've attached it
  • Redx
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    edited 25 February 2020 at 9:17PM
    that is a reminder letter, not an NTK ,its dated over a month later and is a reminder about a previous NTK

    I thought you were posting the NTK they submitted to popla ?
    its important that you understand the differences and what should have arrived and when
  • Old_Bird_65
    Old_Bird_65 Posts: 60 Forumite
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    edited 25 February 2020 at 9:26PM
    Okay, I think this is a fairly standard PCN. Do they need to provide evidence of posting in order to try and prove I received it?
  • Redx
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    the first one needs a bit of redacting so remove it and replace it

    you can put them to proof of posting as part of your defence, but I doubt its a deal breaker because the dates are on that NTK and they post loads of pcn,s out, but POFA does state it must arrive within 14 days for a keeper to be protected

    a judge will decide on balance , so law of probability , providing the details are correct
  • Old_Bird_65
    Old_Bird_65 Posts: 60 Forumite
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    edited 25 February 2020 at 10:01PM
    oops! I thought you meant the first letter I posted, so i deleted that. Okay, will re-attach both of them.
  • Oh dear! So you think the judge may rule on the basis that CEL sent the PCN according to requirements, even if they can't prove it? 
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