PCN: F1rst Parking - Hertfordshire Uni

Shadk

Dear community

Family member attends Hertfordshire university on a weekly basis and usually always purchases a ticket which costs £3 for 6 hours. Last June she forgot and a few days later received the below ticket in the mail (nothing on windscreen). (without https://)

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She ignored that one and later received the letter below demanding £150. After which she contacted me and I thought she better get your expert advice

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I see a similar case on your forum:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4956528/f1rst-parking-llp-hertfordshire-university

The signage at the univeristy parking is shown below:
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Before we make an online appeal i just wanted to check the standard template is appropriate

Re PCN number:

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a formal complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner and to my MP.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require ALL photos taken and an explanation of the allegation and your evidence, i.e.:

- If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

- If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner. If you fail to evidence the actual grace period that applies at this site or suggest that only one period applies, this will be disregarded as an attempt to mislead. In the absence of evidence, it will be reasonably taken to be a minimum of twenty minutes (ten on arrival and ten after parking time) in accordance with the official BPA article by Kelvin Reynolds about 'observation periods' on arrival being additional and separate to a 'grace period' at the end. CAN I REMOVE THIS PARAGRAPH AS IT ISNT RELEVANT

- in all cases, you must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date.

Formal note:
Should you later pursue this charge by way of litigation, note that service of any legal documents by email is expressly disallowed and you are not entitled to assume that the data in this dispute/appeal remains the current address for service in the future.

Yours faithfully,

xxxxxxxxxxx

waamo

Don't alter it. The idea is that it's instantly recognisable to the ppc. If you alter it they may not think it's the template from here.

Have you asked the University to cancel the ticket?

KeithP

You can post live links. No need to mask them.

Shadk

tried to appeal this today on their website - https://paymyparking.net/

But it says - currently with debt collector so cannot appeal

Coupon-mad

So read the 4th post in the NEWBIES thread, and ignore them.

Shadk

Read the thread. Some advice to appeal to the PPC via mail anyway. Was thinking of the following:

Re PCN number:

I wish to dispute this PCN via your website but was informed I cannot as it’s with the debt collectors. The alleged breach occurred on 7/6/19 and the debt collector was received on 19/7/19. I wish to challenge this notice and refer you to the consequences of Halsey v Milton Keynes General NHS Trust if you refuse to consider an application outside your normal deadline.

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a formal complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner and to my MP.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require ALL photos taken and an explanation of the allegation and your evidence, i.e.:

- If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

- If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner. If you fail to evidence the actual grace period that applies at this site or suggest that only one period applies, this will be disregarded as an attempt to mislead. In the absence of evidence, it will be reasonably taken to be a minimum of twenty minutes (ten on arrival and ten after parking time) in accordance with the official BPA article by Kelvin Reynolds about 'observation periods' on arrival being additional and separate to a 'grace period' at the end.

- in all cases, you must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date.

Formal note:
Should you later pursue this charge by way of litigation, note that service of any legal documents by email is expressly disallowed and you are not entitled to assume that the data in this dispute/appeal remains the current address for service in the future.



Yours faithfully,

xxxxxxxxxxx

Coupon-mad

The alleged breach occurred on 7/6/19 and the debt collector was received on 19/7/19.

So, didn't they send a PCN by post first, in June?

You should have had a chance to appeal it then.

The_Deep

Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams so consider complaining to your MP.

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.

Shadk

The first we heard was on 13/6/19 when they sent this letter

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The online appeal via https://paymyparking.net/Default.aspx doesnt allow me to appeal citing 'with debt collectors'

Le_Kirk

Your link made live: -
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waamo

This will probably come as a shock and surprise but the Newbies thread has a section on dealing with debt collectors letters.