PCN-Your vehicle was not authorised to Park

Cozen

Hi everyone Ive gone through the Newbies sticky
But can’t find one like mine. The driver got a PCN for parking on a ‘private’ land i.e. Toby carvery car park. Car was parked for 25 mins it seemed like it was free parking it had no signage anywhere to say it was private or you had to pay. Letter states the car wasn’t authorised to park there what does that mean? Should the driver just pay the fine or is it best to appeal?

Redx

letter has gone to the keeper , not the driver

of course its private land, if its not council or public roads or whatever then its private property

chances are that visitors have to put their VRM details into a terminal inside the building on the bar, to obtain free parking (like an IPAD for example)

the driver should stay on public roads and stay off private property unless they have permission from the retailer or business etc , treat them all as traps, also bear in mind that usually the driver only gets ten minutes to decide what to do, not 25 minutes

READ the newbies faq sticky thread and appeal as KEEPER using the blue text template, no changes

who issued the NTK ?

waamo

Who is this ticket from? If it's from a ppc then it's exactly the same as all other tickets.

BrownTrout

It means you didnt enter your details on their keypad

Just go in and complain and they will cancel it there and then.

Egbert_Nobacon

Very surprised there were no signs - most unusual.

If the branch manager is unhelpful a polite complaint to the CEO may get this cancelled:-

Phil.Urban@mbplc.com

NeilCr

Did you actually go into the Toby Carvery to eat/drink/whatever?

Cozen

The PPC who issued the NTK is Euro Car Parks my issue is yes the driver might have parked on private property unknowingly and might have not even gone in Toby Carvery...there were no signs at all showing its a customer only parking or they using cameras to record vehicles in and out. Is it worth the hassle or should The driver just pay the fine?

Quentin

No-one here will advise you to pay

Only you know the value of your time and whether or not simply paying is cost effective for you

The_Slithy_Tove

Cozen wrote: »

Is it with the hassle or should I just pay the fine?

If you've got £60/100/whatever to throw away, then give it to charity. Don't fund a scam industry.
Now go and read the NEWBIES sticky thread, and change your posts so they don't indicate who was driving (the NEWBIES thread will explain why).

The_Deep

my issue is yes I might have parked on private property unknowingly and might have not even gone in Toby Carvery

This sounds rather nebulous, surely you must remember the indigestion you suffered for three days if you did eat there.

BTW, it is not a fine, the stickies make that clear, have you not read them?

However, if you did eat there many judges regard failure to enter one's vrn in a tablet as a very trifling matter, read this,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis

not really a BOC at all and a waste of court time.

As Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, complain to your MP.

Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.

MistyZ

No signs at all??? This does seem very unlikely. Much more likely that there were signs but the amount of signs and the positioning and clarity of signs fell way short of the BPA standards.

If occupants of the car were customers then complain vigorously and insist on cancellation.

In any case, it sounds as if there is a basis for a POPLA appeal majoring on signage probably.

POFA 2012 would be another section. You'll need to know whether the NTK you've received is POFA compliant. I think ECP NTKs usually are but you can find out what this means and how to check by reading the Newbies' thread and searching the site for other ECP cases.

You've identified the driver in at least one post in this thread - need to edit post 7.

I doubt very much that the initial appeal will be successful. They usually aren't and are a mainly a way of getting a POPLA code. Do some reading around here to decide whether or not you're up for a POPLA appeal.