In work poverty due to overpriced housing costs

lisyloo

You might argue London wages are higher which is true in absolute terms. But in relative terms (against house price) London wage is lower.

So the smart money would be on living in shared digs during the important parts of your career (either training or the making money end) and either making enough money or investing enough in your career so that you are “made for life”.

No one is saying anyone should raise a family in a broom cupboard, but if you want a high end legal or fashion career then London is the place to be.

Some people in this country are enterprising and want to make something of themselves, others may be satisfied working the fields.
Both are fine but can we stop doing down those who want to make something is themselves when they are the ones who support this country by paying taxes.
The bottom 60% are net takers so we should all the grateful for the to 40% and if they are willing to live in digs fo a few years then so what?

lisyloo

RelievedSheff wrote: »

Are you suggesting that the London airports are the only ones in the UK?

No, but I don’t know of anywhere else that has 6 airports some with 5 terminals. Clearly the other airports don’t have the same number of jobs.
So what the point telling all the London air traffic controllers to “think outside the box” if numbers of jobs are not available for them.
There are some jobs e.g. software ones, that only take place near the London airports. I know someone who worked on airport software and his technical skills were not transferable I.e. the software language he was using was only used for airport software, so he was having trouble finding another job.
I can tell you it’s not always that easy especially when you are over 45.

You clearly have the must live and work in the South East mindset. But actually for the vast majority of people who don't work in central government or investment banking there are more affordable options away from London.

I don’t believe there are better options in significant numbers.
But tell me then, why they all these successful intelligent people commuting on 40c tubes like sardines when they don’t need to.
Could it be they have grandchildren, elderly parents they want to see in the locality?
Perhaps strong ties with friends, a church?
It’s actually not so easy to change jobs as you say?
Or they are not able to see outside the box despite working in creative jobs?
I’d really like to know why you think it is.

I personally wouldn’t want to up sticks due to 2 elderly family members at the end of their lives, both needing regular family assistance.

But really I’d like to know your take on why these intelligent people just can’t see the light.

You don't need to be paid the same amount away from London due the the lower cost of living and the lower cost of housing. That doesn't mean you are living to lower standards just to lower costs.

As long as you never ever want to return to somewhere with higher house prices.
I know people who’ve moved to Spain and can’t move back to the uk now.
My point was that if you own expensive housing it’s an investment and you can then go anywhere is the world.
Start off low and you can only go lower.
This is a mathmatical fact not an opinion.

westernpromise

RelievedSheff wrote: »

There is plenty of affordable housing if people are willing to look outside the box and move away from London and the South East.

The poverty of imagination is yours, not theirs.

There are many reasons people are tied to a locality. Dependent family members, for example, or as lisyloo has pointed out, a lack of comparable jobs elsewhere. It is not simply a matter of observing that house prices are lower in Burnley and just moving there.

We get a lot of northerners on here who have convinced themselves that their generic northern town has absolutely everything anyone could ever need. This mentality is basically that of a goldfish that can't understand why any fish would want to live in the ocean, when they could instead live in a perfectly nice bowl with a rock, a plastic plant, a sunken pirate ship - literally everything heart could desire.

Zero_Sum

lisyloo wrote: »

No, but I don’t know of anywhere else that has 6 airports some with 5 terminals. Clearly the other airports don’t have the same number of jobs.
So what the point telling all the London air traffic controllers to “think outside the box” if numbers of jobs are not available for them.
There are some jobs e.g. software ones, that only take place near the London airports. I know someone who worked on airport software and his technical skills were not transferable I.e. the software language he was using was only used for airport software, so he was having trouble finding another job.
I can tell you it’s not always that easy especially when you are over 45.



I don’t believe there are better options in significant numbers.
But tell me then, why they all these successful intelligent people commuting on 40c tubes like sardines when they don’t need to.
Could it be they have grandchildren, elderly parents they want to see in the locality?
Perhaps strong ties with friends, a church?
It’s actually not so easy to change jobs as you say?
Or they are not able to see outside the box despite working in creative jobs?
I’d really like to know why you think it is.

I personally wouldn’t want to up sticks due to 2 elderly family members at the end of their lives, both needing regular family assistance.

But really I’d like to know your take on why these intelligent people just can’t see the light.




As long as you never ever want to return to somewhere with higher house prices.
I know people who’ve moved to Spain and can’t move back to the uk now.
My point was that if you own expensive housing it’s an investment and you can then go anywhere is the world.
Start off low and you can only go lower.
This is a mathmatical fact not an opinion.

Luton, Southend etc arent in London. They just use the London prefix for marketing reasons

Zero_Sum

westernpromise wrote: »

The poverty of imagination is yours, not theirs.

There are many reasons people are tied to a locality. Dependent family members, for example, or as lisyloo has pointed out, a lack of comparable jobs elsewhere. It is not simply a matter of observing that house prices are lower in Burnley and just moving there.

We get a lot of northerners on here who have convinced themselves that their generic northern town has absolutely everything anyone could ever need. This mentality is basically that of a goldfish that can't understand why any fish would want to live in the ocean, when they could instead live in a perfectly nice bowl with a rock, a plastic plant, a sunken pirate ship - literally everything heart could desire.

Stop exaggerating.
We dont believe we have everything we need. Most of us do have easy access to about 90% of out needs. What we dont believe is that its worth taking a massive hit in living standards for an extra net 6 or 7%

And your analogy is back to front. If I were to move to London, then I would be living in a goldfish bowl. And paying 3 times as much for the privilage

foxtrotoscar_2

ska_lover wrote: »

I know what you mean OP.

I think there is a lot of in-work poverty in everything - not just housing.

It seems to be the norm for young couples to stay living with parents whilst saving or get a pay out from Bank of Mum and Dad for the first deposit - and that is fantastic for them, however, not everyone is lucky enough to have any of these options

Not everyone has the opportunity to go to University, to Save, or to get handouts, or to extended stay at parents

Whatever your background, you are entitled to be housed - either rented or brought. Yes I used that buzz-word - entitled. Everyone is entitled to be housed

I am literally sick of hearing the word 'entitled' used incorrectly or overused. It has become the new snooze-worthy buzzword. Like 'Snowflake' or 'Random'

Life is a lot harder going down the generations - it was harder for me to get housed than my parents and it is harder for my adult kids to do same. Yes, each generation has it's hurdles, but in reality, there is less of everything to go round these days than there was ten, twenty, thirty years ago

Shoot me now.

...I happily would for that and that alone.:D

Kim_kim

lisyloo wrote: »

No, there doesn’t have to be a correction simply because some people who want to buy can’t.
Expectations or entitlement are not what drives the market.

Do you not think every couple who work full time while having a small family should be able to afford a modest house in a decent enough area?
Because that isn’t the reality for many families in London, Surrey & the more expensive parts of the south east.

foxtrotoscar_2

Kim_kim wrote: »

Do you not think every couple who work full time while having a small family should be able to afford a modest house in a decent enough area?
Because that isn’t the reality for many families in London, Surrey & the more expensive parts of the south east.

No, sacrifices and compromises often have to be made. My grandparents did as did my parents. Nothing new. I bet they still have the latest igadget/smart thingy and think that's an entitlement too.

westernpromise

Zero_Sum wrote: »

Stop exaggerating.
We dont believe we have everything we need. Most of us do have easy access to about 90% of out needs.

Which are a rock, a plastic plant and a sunken pirate ship. To others, that would be 1% of their needs, so they choose the ocean.

Kim_kim

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

No, sacrifices and compromises often have to be made. My grandparents did as did my parents. Nothing new. I bet they still have the latest igadget/smart thingy and think that's an entitlement too.

Well I absolutely disagree, as long as people working full time cannot buy a home, we have a problem.
And before you say they need to move north, I live in Surrey. Surrey needs cleaners, car washers, orderlys in hospitals, bin men, fast food workers, etc.