'Full' self-employment section on self-assessment

semma19

Currently completing my self-assessment for 18/19 'early' as it's a complicated one.
Apparently, the figure I entered for self-employment 'exceeds the maximum annualised amount'. The error message tells me to 'complete the full self-employment pages instead'. It's not clear at all on the online form where I access this 'full' section. Any clues?

BoGoF

Does it ask anywhere if your annual turnover exceeds £85,000? You need to tick that box.

semma19

The thing is, it doesn't! So I'm totally baffled.

semma19

Not sure if it's relevant that I was only self-employed for about 2 months of the tax year - but I put that my accounts were made up to 5 April 2019.

BoGoF

It sounds like you are doing a part year?

If so then the £85,000 limit is apportioned. So if you traded for 6 months and your turnover was £50k then the 'annualised' amount is £100k

semma19

For simplicity let's say I received £20,000 in those two months. That's it. So I still tick the box?

BoGoF

Yes.....the annualised figure would be £120,000

Dazed_and_confused

For simplicity let's say I received £20,000 in those two months

So your annualised turnover was £120,000. And therefore a full set of self employment pages will be required.

Not sure if it's relevant that I was only self-employed for about 2 months of the tax year - but I put that my accounts were made up to 5 April 2019

Was it the two months 6 February 2019 to 5 April 2019? If not why have you used that date?

semma19

Yes, and my question is, where do I find the full set of employment pages on the online self-assessment?!

And surely, I put what I ACTUALLY received, not this annualised turnover.

Not sure what you mean by the second point. It was the first two months of the tax year that I was a sole trader.

BoGoF

stephanieemma wrote: »

Yes, and my question is, where do I find the full set of employment pages on the online self-assessment?!

And surely, I put what I ACTUALLY received, not this annualised turnover.

Not sure what you mean by the second point. It was the first two months of the tax year that I was a sole trader.

You tick the box saying your annual turnover was over £85,000.

Yes you put your actual turnover and expenses down, nobody said otherwise. The £85,000 threshold for using the short pages is for a 12 month period, if you only traded for 2 months then the threshold is 1/6th of this.

Dazed_and_confused

You need to delete the existing self employment page and start to tailor your return again.

Yes you enter the actual details but the fact is your business turnover was the equivalent of £120,000 which is why you cannot do the simpler self employment page.

If you were self employed in April/May and maybe a bit of June 2018 them why are you saying your accounts are for the period to 5 April 2019? There may be a perfectly good reason for it but that hasn't come across in your earlier posts.