To avoid parking charge notices

Mretoo

One simple answer that no one seems to have addressed regarding PCNs is they are totally avoidable if you read the signs and either accept and comply with the terms and conditions or leave. If you choose to ignore or not read the signs then you must take responsibility for your actions

Redx

not true at all

these companies make reasons up and some are fraudulent, plus they try to mislead people etc, they send out dubious or fraudulant notices , ANPR misreads, incorrect paperwork, sent to the wrong person , or where the PPC fails to stick to the CoP they subscribe to, like a short overstay triggering a pcn even though the 2 grace periods more than cover the alleged overstay

all kinds of issues, even to people who do what you said

my brother got a pcn recently, even though he has a toyota and not a vw, even though he has never been to Perth in Scotland and even though their ANPR captured the correct VRM details on the VW but the idiot at Smart parking put a typo into their KADOE terminal and accessed the wrong vehicle details

we have even had people put a number plate on a supermarket trolley and they received a pcn in the post

its not as simple as you seem to think

if you want to avoid pcn,s get a mountain bike , or walk !!

Umkomaas

Mretoo wrote: »

One simple answer that no one seems to have addressed regarding PCNs is they are totally avoidable if you read the signs and either accept and comply with the terms and conditions or leave. If you choose to ignore or not read the signs then you must take responsibility for your actions

That's not lost on any regular poster here. It's just the 7 million motorists a year who receive private parking charges that you should aim this at.

However, it doesn't really apply to those who have very carefully studied the signage, attempted to comply, but thwarted by a breakdown of the PDT machine, or double dipping cases, or where the reasonable adjustments required by the Equality Act 2010 have not been made, or where there has been a vehicle breakdown forcing an elongated stay .... the list goes on.

The list obviously doesn't account for all 7 million, but it does apply to a significant number of cases that come here for help.

None of this stuff is as simple as 'just read the signs and comply'. If it was and people did, PPCs would be out of business by the end of the month. The earth doesn't rotate like that in PPC world.

Half_way

Mretoo wrote: »

One simple answer that no one seems to have addressed regarding PCNs is they are totally avoidable if you read the signs and either accept and comply with the terms and conditions or leave. If you choose to ignore or not read the signs then you must take responsibility for your actions

OK, clever clogs, answer this:
Vehicle enters car park, parks up - no problem, and goes to Costa coffee, stays for 25minutes and then drives out ( max stay 2 hours) , vehicle + driver returns later that evening ( after some 9 hours since previous visit) to pick up a takeway on the way home from work.
Get s a parking charge notice in the post stating that the vehicle was in the car park for 9 hours and 25 minutes -= max stay 2 hours £100 due




Car park signs in a very small font placed high on a few lamposts, not always obvious, driver soes not see/can not read the small print PCN ensues


Signs covered in undergrowth


Badly marked out disabled bays


Driver, or occupant of vehicle is disabled, and has a protected characteristic under the equalities act, however either does not have a blue badge, or the blue badge has expired


Driver enters a 1 instead of an I , or a O instead of a 0 for the registration plate - the DVLA typeface makes no distinction, if the reg plate is incorrect then the parking machine software should reject miskeys as no such vehicle would be in the car park, alternatively it should see 0,O, I, 1 as one and the same, but then again that wouldnt make as much £££


New supermarket in town, as a condition of the supermarket being given planning permission, its car park must be made freely available for people visiting the town centre shops, as as to preserve the diversity on the high street and support local independent businesses ( what left of them) PPC rocks up and car park now has an enter reg number in store terminal max stay 90 minutes


Private residence, ocupant of house/flat etc owns and or has a right to use a parking space, parking company arrives and imposes a permit scheme/white list, either a permit isnt displayed ( as a pre existing right exists) or the vehcile is changed ( therefore not in whitelist)





The list is endless, PPCs are not the solution.

MistyZ

It's the 'responsibility for your actions' bit that gets me. As if the level of the charges demanded, the hassle and intimidation and indeed sheer lawlessness of many PPCs and their associates were all perfectly proportionate and reasonable.

Since when was £60 (rising to £100 if ignored or the PPC claims to have sent an NTK that never arrives prior to the 'reminder' etc. etc.) a reasonable penalty for a harassed, overworked & underpaid person who doesn't make it back to their car exactly when the PPC claim they should?

And even then the majority of 'simple' overstays are not overstays at all according to the BPA's guidelines on grace periods, yet again & again the PPCs who are BPA members completely ignore grace periods.

And so on and so forth. I could go on. Why am I even bothering, such ignorance isn't worth it.

Coupon-mad

Mretoo wrote: »

One simple answer that no one seems to have addressed regarding PCNs is they are totally avoidable if you read the signs and either accept and comply with the terms and conditions or leave. If you choose to ignore or not read the signs then you must take responsibility for your actions

Wow where have you been? You are so wrong about these scams.

Surely you don't think parking firms fake PCNs a re 'totally avoidable' because they are designed NOT to be.

Egbert_Nobacon

Perhaps you could explain how my daughter had a windscreen PCN in her works car park for failing to display a valid permit.

The PCN was placed not more than 3 inches from her permit.

Also google Ravensdale car park Clacton to see what SMART parking were upto

Redx

rogue ticketer exposed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47610228

explain that one mr know it all E2

Coupon-mad

And who could forget such favourite scams as:


- MET Parking's scam at McDonalds where they pretended people were off site:

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2014/06/met-parking-operate-customer-not-here.html


- UKCPM's finest, issuing PCNs but the sign wasn't even there (as per Redx's post):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47772305


- Double dip visits, caught by flawed and unfit-for-purpose ANPR (mostly ParkingEye):

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5550336/double-dip-parking-list-of-cases


- 24 hr ticketing, yet pitch black car parks with no lighting; signs can't be seen:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=107633


- UKPC caught actually doctoring photos to fake the time on site, by hours:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-34402322


- Excel's scam site the Peel Centre issuing PCNs for no reason at all, to people who paid & displayed correctly:

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2017/07/peel-cente-stockport-14-15-may-2017.html

...and the same scam site, where tickets came out void with 'QQ' or 'P' on them instead of the full VRN the drivers had typed into the keypad:

https://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2016/09/excel-parking-get-gladstonedby-bw-legal.html


Pray tell us, Mretoo, how those PCNs could have been avoided? We are all ears.

Woppyman72

Troll alert :eek:

Two I’m fighting at the moment;

1) Rear wheels of my vehicle may have infringed across line, with no visible signage. PPC claims a contract was entered into the moment any portion of vehicle enters property, even if signs are not legible.

2) Vehicle on railway property, parked on the end of the bay slightly outside of bay, technically a criminal offence but if you give us £100.00 we will not send your details to the train operators to prosecute you, nudge,nudge, wink,wink.

If everyone played by the rules with clear signage and a fair impartial appeals service independently regulated then I would tend to agree.

It’s not though.

fisherjim

Mretoo wrote: »

One simple answer that no one seems to have addressed regarding PCNs is they are totally avoidable if you read the signs and either accept and comply with the terms and conditions or leave. If you choose to ignore or not read the signs then you must take responsibility for your actions

For someone that joined yesterday and made this garbage your first post you seem very naive or suspect to me.


We have seen a poster that was given five minutes to enter find a parking place, park, find the signage read it, decide to stay or leave. That includes reading the minute writing, and if declining their offer to park driving out.



Try doing all that in five minutes, notwithstanding it goes against the ATA COP, where incidentally they lie that they audit all signage annually.


Also in this case the OP had left well within the paid for time but was invoiced for not paying within five minutes.


Maybe you should spend a little more of your time trawling through threads for useful background instead of trolling.