Receiving a disciplinary for breaking up a cardboard box

kazwookie

Get DD to write to HR and her area manager's boss in copy, stating all the facts, include a copy of what ever she got from the area manager, and include / suggest her application for the promotion.

To me from the information give the AM is having a mad day.....................

In the past I had an AM do this sort of thing to me, so me being me raised it with the HR and CEO of the company, the sh ite hit the fan........... I was promoted and moved to a different department, and I loved my new role the AM was also moved well away into a different division of the company, as it turned out the AM had done the same to others who came forward after I did what I did, I was it turned out only to tip of the iceburg.

Ellieseleven

nicechap wrote: »

I suspect there is more to this than the destruction of a cardboard box. There is usually more of a back story if someone has taken a dislike to someone else. Would your daughter tell you the whole story if she had done something wrong?

Has your daughter actually been disciplined yet? If so, on what grounds? Do the boxes have a value (e.g. deposit) which was lost as a result of the destruction. What does the company's disciplinary policy say about the process used with your daughter? What did the union say in her defence/ mitigation?

What does your daughter want to do? Will she put this behind her, toe the line and get on with her job, or will she start looking for another job? Does she want to raise a grievance, and if so, on what grounds?

EDITED TO ADD I presume you do not work for the company, in which case you should not be contacting them, your daughter is an adult and could get into further trouble by discussing it outside of the work place.

My DD has not been disciplined yet as she has asked for a solicitor to be present. They have now said they will not take the matter further but she cannot apply for any promotion.

The boxes do not have a value, they are intended to be broken up and a knife is provided to aid this.

I do know the back story, my daughter has not done anything wrong, she has been bullied and victimised systematically for 2 years. This has been verbal e.g. called a bloke in a dress and a Psychopath for no reason.

She is good at her job, well liked by all her colleagues and customers and has earned nothing but praise in her role.

This manager has used her position of power to prevent her from progressing in the company. My daughter is now looking to move away but will be raising a grievance with HR

TELLIT01

Ellieseleven wrote: »

This is not the first time this manager has stopped my DD from applying for promotion, there have been a catalogue of events over the last 2 years.


Thank you

This is the paragraph which raises questions for me. It would seem that, for whatever reason, the relationship between the OP's daughter and the manager has been deteriorating for a long time. The cause of that deterioration is rarely one sided, although I'm not saying it can never be so. I tend to agree with other respondents who suggest that there is rather more to this than is know to the OP.


If the daughter is confident that the failure is all from one side, then they should seek to take it further as it is clearly affecting their ability to progress within the organisation.

Ellieseleven

kazwookie wrote: »

Get DD to write to HR and her area manager's boss in copy, stating all the facts, include a copy of what ever she got from the area manager, and include / suggest her application for the promotion.

To me from the information give the AM is having a mad day.....................

In the past I had an AM do this sort of thing to me, so me being me raised it with the HR and CEO of the company, the sh ite hit the fan........... I was promoted and moved to a different department, and I loved my new role the AM was also moved well away into a different division of the company, as it turned out the AM had done the same to others who came forward after I did what I did, I was it turned out only to tip of the iceburg.

Thank you for your response - This is a similar position to what my daughter finds herself in. She knows she is not the only one to have suffered under this AM and there have been many others who have left the company as a result.

My DD does want to fight this as it is an abuse of the AM's position, she uses her position of power to bully and intimidate

lincroft1710

You cannot expect your daughter to get away with assaulting an innocent cardboard box. Where will it end? What will your daughter assault next? Used polystyrene packing? Illegible labels? Don't you and your daughter realise cardboard boxes have feelings?

I bet your daughter is the sort who viciously bends paperclips out of shape!

nicechap

Ellieseleven wrote: »

My DD has not been disciplined yet as she has asked for a solicitor to be present. They have now said they will not take the matter further but she cannot apply for any promotion.

The boxes do not have a value, they are intended to be broken up and a knife is provided to aid this.

I do know the back story, my daughter has not done anything wrong, she has been bullied and victimised systematically for 2 years. This has been verbal e.g. called a bloke in a dress and a Psychopath for no reason.

She is good at her job, well liked by all her colleagues and customers and has earned nothing but praise in her role.

This manager has used her position of power to prevent her from progressing in the company. My daughter is now looking to move away but will be raising a grievance with HR

I would be very surprised if the company would allow your daughter to bring a solicitor, another member of staff or union rep is normal but if they were not available I would still expect her to attend any meeting/ disciplinary about the incident. If she refuses to attend that would add to her woes.

If she has been called a "bloke in a dress", did she object to it at the time and raise a grievance about it? Is there a discrimination angle to this too? Any place I've worked for the last 35 years would not tolerate such homophobia - presumably there is CCTV to back up this like there is to the cardboard box incident.

Ellieseleven

TELLIT01 wrote: »

This is the paragraph which raises questions for me. It would seem that, for whatever reason, the relationship between the OP's daughter and the manager has been deteriorating for a long time. The cause of that deterioration is rarely one sided, although I'm not saying it can never be so. I tend to agree with other respondents who suggest that there is rather more to this than is know to the OP.


If the daughter is confident that the failure is all from one side, then they should seek to take it further as it is clearly affecting their ability to progress within the organisation.

I can assure you the deterioration is very much one sided. The first time my daughter met this manager she remarked that she looked liked a Transvestite, a bloke in a dress. There was no reason for this remark and this has been the pattern of events for 2 years.

My daughter is taking this further and has avoided doing so up until now due to the power this manager has within the company.

Vegastare

Few years back I was bullied and I use the word openly now - then I would not even say it, older generation and take what you are given and yes the manager was about 20 years my junior, when she started I really liked her then she started on another staff member reducing her to tears, we were shocked.



Few month later I was on annual leave and the area manger came and one by one spoke to all office team. There was a letter asking for me to contact area manger, for a chat about the colleague who had moved office, so I emailed to arrange it and was to speak to AM away from office.....yep they were investigating bullying, and two colleagues had said it was happening to me!! Honestly I was horrified - I would not have said anything. But for others to witness my situation and think it was wrong.!



It was a horrible time, there were concerns we had no idea of, like staff leaving and asking for references in the past only to have very harsh negative ones from her contradict the HR ones.
So it might be your daughters employer already have an idea.

Ellieseleven

lincroft1710 wrote: »

You cannot expect your daughter to get away with assaulting an innocent cardboard box. Where will it end? What will your daughter assault next? Used polystyrene packing? Illegible labels? Don't you and your daughter realise cardboard boxes have feelings?

I bet your daughter is the sort who viciously bends paperclips out of shape!

She has amended her ways and kisses the boxes now before breaking them up so as not to hurt their feelings.

Ellieseleven

Vegastare wrote: »

Few years back I was bullied and I use the word openly now - then I would not even say it, older generation and take what you are given and yes the manager was about 20 years my junior, when she started I really liked her then she started on another staff member reducing her to tears, we were shocked.



Few month later I was on annual leave and the area manger came and one by one spoke to all office team. There was a letter asking for me to contact area manger, for a chat about the colleague who had moved office, so I emailed to arrange it and was to speak to AM away from office.....yep they were investigating bullying, and two colleagues had said it was happening to me!! Honestly I was horrified - I would not have said anything. But for others to witness my situation and think it was wrong.!



It was a horrible time, there were concerns we had no idea of, like staff leaving and asking for references in the past only to have very harsh negative ones from her contradict the HR ones.
So it might be your daughters employer already have an idea.

Thank you for your comments. We are aware of other members of staff who have all been subjected to the same treatment.

It's been difficult for anyone to speak out but other members of staff have commented on how differently my daughter is treated.