It's time to start digging up those Squirrelled Nuts!!!!

JoeEngland

nigelbb wrote: »

Most other EU countries manage to train enough doctors without a reliance on vast numbers of immigrants.

That may be true for some countries, but not all:

https://www.statista.com/chart/16072/percentage-of-foreign-trained-doctors-in-european-countries/

Karmacat

Sea_Shell wrote: »

I wish I'd never mentioned it in the first place now!!!

No more NHS/political chat please. Plenty of other threads for that stuff.

Cheers.

I can understand that

german_keeper

Here's something that might cheer you up a bit Sea Shell if it's true. In my late teens and early twenties I seemed to get a cold every week. My mates used to wind me up about it when we went out for a pint and I was looking like Rudolph virtually every time.
I eventually went to the docs just to make sure there wasn't an underlying problem and he told me there are a certain number of viruses that give you a cold and when you have had one you won't get it again. Might well be true because in the last 30 years or so I have hardly ever had a cold. So you can console yourself that at least you have ticked one off the list!!

atush

Terron wrote: »

A persistant cough that lasts three weeks is a potential emergency. One of the possible causes is a heart problem and you would likely be sent for a chest X-ray to check. I was 8 years ago. It turned out to be non-urgent but the check was needed.

It is also a sign of many other serious diseases incl Cancer among others. If it is over 3 weeks, get an emergency appt.

nigelbb

JoeEngland wrote: »

That may be true for some countries, but not all:

https://www.statista.com/chart/16072/percentage-of-foreign-trained-doctors-in-european-countries/

From that chart all the big countries in the EU have a much lower percentage of immigrant doctors than the UK's 26.9%.
France 10.4%, Italy 0.8%, Spain 9.4%, Germany 10.3%, Poland 1.8%. For these larger countries comprising 60% of the EU by population they are better than 90% self-sufficient in doctors which just emphasises how shamefully poor the UK record is.

bluenose1

Mild day for Park Run today. First morning this week that I have really seen daylight as in work by 7am in an office without natural light. Definitely depressing the dark mornings and nights. 18 more paydays, less if a Redundancy offer before then. Roll on retirement.
Hope you are feeling better Seashell.

Suffolk_lass

In our retirement-transition we have been busy this week, on Friday a lunch in the Village, for which we were part of the delivery team, and yesterday we had a coffee and craft morning, for which I made and donated soap, hand-scrub, cakes, biscuits, jams, jellies, mincemeat and crystal tree decorations. We plan some more fun things in the New Year but just now it is a 30-year Ta-Da list that is taking our time.

Terron

nigelbb wrote: »

From that chart all the big countries in the EU have a much lower percentage of immigrant doctors than the UK's 26.9%.
France 10.4%, Italy 0.8%, Spain 9.4%, Germany 10.3%, Poland 1.8%. For these larger countries comprising 60% of the EU by population they are better than 90% self-sufficient in doctors which just emphasises how shamefully poor the UK record is.

There is an alternative explanation relating to the popularity of the English language.

arnoldy

Terron wrote: »

There is an alternative explanation relating to the popularity of the English language.

and the far higher pay in general. Some European doctors are flying in for a long weekend locum shift for £3-5,000 and they do a dam good job.


But really the NHS needs a good kick up the ar*e - if they spent less time whinging and more time training Brits to be Doctors and Nurses we'd all be better off.

nigelbb

arnoldy wrote: »

But really the NHS needs a good kick up the ar*e - if they spent less time whinging and more time training Brits to be Doctors and Nurses we'd all be better off.

It's not the NHS who is responsible for the numbers of doctors & nurses in training. That is set by government policy & investment. On the other hand the NHS does a very poor job of retaining nurses once they have trained as so many leave because of working conditions, bullying etc. It's vicious cycle when there are so many vacant posts that the work is harder for those trying to cover the gaps which leads to demoralisation & eventually leaving for a cushier or better paid job elsewhere.